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  1. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Agreed. People who think they automatically deserve respect just for existing, no. I won't disrespect you either, but until you prove, not intentionally of course, if you deserve it or not, I'll withhold it. And before anyone feels they have to please me to earn my respect, that's no true either. If I see your normal self worthy of respect, then you get it.

    Like the term "respect your elders".... Only if they are deserving of it in my eyes. And it doesn't take much either.
    Really, so an entire culture is "doing it wrong" according to you? In Mexican culture, people have respect, and are respected the moment you meet them. There is no reason why they should "earn" a person's respect. The only thing that is earned, is the loss of respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Really, so an entire culture is "doing it wrong" according to you? In Mexican culture, people have respect, and are respected the moment you meet them. There is no reason why they should "earn" a person's respect. The only thing that is earned, is the loss of respect.
    That's my opinion. And my opinion is as such because I see MANY people who feel they should be respected just for existing, but when I see their personality, I just cannot do so. And when I say earn, I don't mean they need to do things to earn it. For example, if I meet someone new, i'm neutral to them. If I now see that person do something helpful by choice, like helping the elderly or almost anything, they have just earned respect. If I see them do something stupid (in my eyes for this and the previous, obviously) like say parking their car in the middle of the street just to talk to someone, they lose respect, if any was had in the first place.

    EDIT: This comes from a different mentality. Many people believe you should automatically smile when you meet someone new. Some people don't think that way. I was neutral towards you initially, and since there's no real change in the "relationship" i'm still neutral towards you, not your best friend. But the other side often takes this as me/someone being angry or upset at them, when it's far from the truth.

    Here's a link to explain what I mean, it's #2 on the second page.
    http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-mislea...-quiet-people/
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    Man, all these people talking about how words are hurtful and all this cyber-bullying and suicide stuff... sticks and stones, people. If you're really letting other people talk down to you, maybe you should, I dunno... muster up some courage and confidence, stand up for yourself, and address the problem instead of crying about it? It's like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." I understand a lot of people go through issues like this, but c'mon, being a whiny little emo kid who cries a lot and cuts himself isn't going to help anything. Often times, people who like to harass others will back off when they find out their prey has the balls to fight back; they don't get the sense of empowerment anymore.

    Now, how all this relates to character names in FF14... it's like I said earlier - most of the time, I just laugh and move on. The only real issue I've ever seen with someone who made an "offensive" character name in an online game was when they actually gave their character a ridiculous-looking outfit and ran around spamming racist and sexually derogatory phrases and emotes to other people in-game. That's definitely a problem, but that goes beyond just the character's name, of course. Besides, you can always type /names to stop displaying them if it bothers you that badly, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    There are those who will laugh and move on.
    There are those who will not care and move on.
    There are those who are genuinely affected and should act on their moral conviction.
    And there are those who enjoy being "police" and take pleasure in reporting others because it makes them feel more important. They also usually are mall cops or work elevators at anime conventions. Wannabe authoritarians.
    I agree with this as well. Harassing people, as well as trying to "bring justice" to said harassers... a lot of people don't realize that some other people get their kicks from the sense of empowerment these actions bring. Same thing with people like corrupt politicians who get laws passed that benefit themselves or their friends and family rather than help the general population, religious zealots that get a large group of followers believing ridiculous ideals that they would throw away their lives for, those who lead a large business organization and focus on making more money rather than the quality of their product and their customer service, etc.
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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves View Post
    Oh hey, that defines your angle clearer so either I misinterpreted or missed it. I am still out on whether or not things like words should cause harm to people. Of course, what should/ought to happen and what does happen is often never the same thing. My main point was to hopefully dull any possible overreaction from people where they take the cyber bullying concept and spin it into something more (and also partially to get divert the conversation from that route.)
    LOL, I was hoping you misinterpreted! It was easy to do from a glance if you didn't follow a chunk of the thread in progression. I wish I could have used a more relevant comparison, but that was really the best example I could give. No harm. Your post was very well written.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yves View Post
    Really cool discussion and nice exchanges from Rowyne and everyone else!
    I agree! As others have said, this thread could have gone down in a ball of flames. It's remained relatively civil.

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    Ignore it and grow up.
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    I'm not a troll I'm just the voice of truth :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Agreed. People who think they automatically deserve respect just for existing, no. I won't disrespect you either, but until you prove, not intentionally of course, if you deserve it or not, I'll withhold it. And before anyone feels they have to please me to earn my respect, that's no true either. If I see your normal self worthy of respect, then you get it.
    Right!

    Like the term "respect your elders".... Only if they are deserving of it in my eyes. And it doesn't take much either.
    Exactly, I'd say it's the most hypocritical saying in the world. Whose elders are they talking about? Their own? Well, maybe the elders I respect are those best equipped for respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    You believe they can't harm, but they can.
    Nope, they can not.

    Words can never do anything at all to anyone period.

    A person can choose to use words as an excuse to cause harm to themselves or others, however.

    It's the same concept as "a gun can not harm anyone, but people can choose to use a gun to harm themselves or others".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greencactaur View Post
    Ignore it and grow up.
    you completely failed at understanding this thread, nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Nope, they can not.

    Words can never do anything at all to anyone period.

    A person can choose to use words as an excuse to cause harm to themselves or others, however.

    It's the same concept as "a gun can not harm anyone, but people can choose to use a gun to harm themselves or others".

    but if the gun did not exist in the first place human would not have it to use, same as words
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Nope, they can not.

    Words can never do anything at all to anyone period.

    A person can choose to use words as an excuse to cause harm to themselves or others, however.

    It's the same concept as "a gun can not harm anyone, but people can choose to use a gun to harm themselves or others".
    You're still trying to relate it to physical harm. The proper use of words can harm someone emotionally or perhaps mentally. Could that person be weak willed? Sure, but it still remains that without the words said in the first place, the harm would not have happened.

    I'm all for people learning to be stronger willed and not let such things bother them. But I still understand that it does happen. Regardless of you trying to say otherwise.
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