Near Future Changes for PvP

[Krolja]

I've heard allllllllllllllll about it. But it's still beside the point, just ban the people that are win trading. SE doesn't ban people for some reason, they get a slap on the wrist, then continue to do it. If they want any respect to be given to this game's PvP then they need to treat it like they want it to be; competitive. You don't have competitive environments in solo queue, and you never will because it's always 100% chaos. Chat restriction just makes it even harder to try and coordinate with people you may not have ever played with. If they want any sort of E-sport to happen to this game, they need to give us ranked group queues, and BAN those who abuse it without warning. Period.

[Zandeth]

Having PvP in a game doesn't immediately mean they want it to be an "e-sport". FFXIV isn't a "PvP first, PvE second" type of game. As much as I hate it, solo queue is rather fair to everyone as everyone has the chance of getting those people who don't care and are just there for some arbitrary reason. If they added full team queues, that would be an insanely big advantage, far more than just a duo queue. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but Square is being very "fair" with how they set up PvP where persistence > skill. When I say "fair", that's to the people who don't PvP seriously. To the people that do, it's an understandable nightmare. And banning people for such a small offense is silly. You can't just ban people left and right without warning. That's how you lose customers.

[Krolja]

The producers have been quoted directly stating that they want the Feast to become an E-sport. And yes, you can ban people who abuse the system without warning or they will just keep doing it. I don't see how you don't understand that. They give out rewards once per season, and people who want that prestige desperately enough will do anything to get it, even win trade. If they don't get punished for it, why stop? If they are going to cheat, then ban them. The world is better off without them.

[Zandeth]

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Even if they do want it, they'll need to actually balance it first. Besides, saying FFXIV is an e-sports is a joke because it's not a pvp game at its core. And I know full well how badly people want to succeed here. But again, because pvp isn't the sole focus of this game, wintrading is a smaller matter. If they put more of a pvp presence into the game, then perhaps wintrading would be taken more seriously. PvP in this game doesn't progress anything. The rewards are mostly cosmetic and bragging rights. This isn't League of Legends, or games of that ilk where PvP is practically the entire game. I don't see how you don't understand that.

[Keelyah]

Well first off I want to at least celebrate that we as a pvp community got a response which is all we really want even if it is an "We have no clue yet"! We are definitely being heard to some extent. I am glad they are entertaining the idea of this being an Esport, it gets our PvP blood pumping. I guess most..(you know what? lets say "some" to neutralize it even more) know and feel that we are in no shape to fulfill that dream just as of yet. PvP usually leaves room for creativity, innovation and individuality. The current state with skills, with some if not all the jobs, leaves us with this Totalitarian ideology as to how each job should be played.

[Keelyah]

There is no room for "builds" ,"variation" or things to be used for the "what if scenarios". This catering to the PvE community (neglects the needs of the PvP realm. Simply put there is no way (if that was goal of all these...changes) to appeal to a PvE'r to come and play PvP unless they genuinely want to. IM surprised that another mode is being made when these concerns have not been discussed fully yet... but hey power to New things!! But I am really curious if you guys are planning to cater to the PvP community a bit more with more variation in our skill choices. address tedious things like why does it seem like I'm kiting an opponent in an initially fun 1v1 but then you find out on their screen they are on you like white on rice (not fun), and if maybe you plan create two separate modes of a solo que for ranked and a duo que for ranked? (SORRYDIDNT KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ONE POST)

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Even if they do want it, they'll need to actually balance it first. Besides, saying FFXIV is an e-sports is a joke because it's not a pvp game at its core. And I know full well how badly people want to succeed here. But again, because pvp isn't the sole focus of this game, wintrading is a smaller matter. If they put more of a pvp presence into the game, then perhaps wintrading would be taken more seriously. PvP in this game doesn't progress anything. The rewards are mostly cosmetic and bragging rights. This isn't League of Legends, or games of that ilk where PvP is practically the entire game. I don't see how you don't understand that.

It needs to be said that this is truely a limiting concept to work under. If it's "not a PvP game at its core" then it would truly be a detriment to try and force fit it. But the thing is, SE did pull it off, and actually much better before. People just didn't want to learn it or try it, and statements like the above only validated reasons to not try. After the fact, we paid the price for it. XIV PvP became dumbed down, more rigid and limited, and all for the sake of a mass appeal. It was a bad move. Not all the changes were bad, but trying to simplify it instead of taking a more active stance to teach players how it worked (instead of relying on players to teach each other - see my comments in the "PvE/PvP Separation" thread for a better understanding), was not a smart move to make.

Whether Yoshi P wants this to truly grow into an E-Sport or not, it's time to stop thinking of FFXIV as a solid entity that can only be one type of thing. PvP exists in this game, thus it deserves as much focus and attention as any other feature or aspect. Failure to do so is a disservice to players that enjoy it, if not the entire playerbase of the game. Because when people no longer get what they want from it, or worse, when sweeping changes take away everything they enjoyed about it, they'll get it elsewhere, and that's how a game's population declines. That's how a game dies.

As for saying wintrading doesn't matter, that's just wrong entirely. Especially when SE themselves made a statement saying they would take issues of cheating seriously, and yet after 4 seasons, some of the most notorious cheaters and wintraders are still doing it, perhaps with confidence now that they will face no penalties for it. THAT is not okay. We're asking SE to hold up their end of their own stated rules here, despite being mired in red tape rules regarding reports and evidence.

On that note, I want to speak up now and ask the question - again, in hopes of a response - Screenshots and video are inadmissible as evidence of cheating or exploiting, because of the possibility of editing, yes? But at the same time, to make a false report against someone (that is, a false report with malicious intent or reprisal) is also a punishable offense, yes? With that said, SE, it should be noted that visual evidence should not simply be dismissed on account of possible editing, simply because the person submitting it is either a liar who would only be violating rules, OR the evidence they submit is perhaps worth review. I understand your internal methods of investigation can't be shared nor discussed, but players are more than willing to assist in keeping our competitive environment healthy and free of intentional misconduct. It would be in everyone's best interest to not stonewall them on account of negative possibilities.

[Zandeth]

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You make some great points, I will admit. Though I would like to remedy myself by restating that "at this moment" it's silly to consider this game as an e-sport simply because of how it is right now. PvP is this game is incredibly dumbed down, for better or for worse. If they were to matches longer, worth more, or even just properly balanced, it's not impossible for it to become a sport of sorts.

Also, I would like to sincerely apologize for my comments towards wintrading. I wasn't completely aware of what it meant, and only went off based on what the word looked to mean. That was my bad.

If we truly want to make a sport of this, definite changes would need to be made. More incentive via wolf marks or just rewards in general, a more fleshed out combat system, a means of proper communication, and such. The communication one is most important in any event as if we were to go into an e-sport with zero communication, that's just laughable.

[MajisTek]

Wanting chat back in PVP is like wanting someone to call out all mechanics in PVE. If you know what the objective is you won't need someone to type a paragraph to you on what your JOB is. I do think there needs to be more options for Quick Chat for the sake of "strategy". But as soon as other players are stressed and argue in chat. They could allow us to chat while the match is starting but that might be kinda troll too..

[Takatsuki]

Ya because scripted content and pvp are the same thing, why do proplayers on lans even get headsets such a waste lmao xd lul