Players Excluding SMN for Pf raid Groups.... Shame on you (ATTN Devs)

[Cherie]

We have a SMN in our static and she does just fine? She does well actually so...

Are SMN supposed to be bad? I don't spend my life on reddit...well, not the ffxiv subreddit anyway.

But you want to force people to open up their PFs to SMN's more? I don't think that is a especially good idea. I mean if they don't want a SMN and you force them to invite you then I bet the group will just be salty and unfriendly anyway.

As far as I understand the rules SE has, you can make a group and exclude whatever jobs you want. It would fall under the rule about "certain playstyles" I believe. As you can even kick people from your party if you feel they aren't using a playstyle that is productive to the group format you want. Correct me if I'm wrong here but I seem to remember people showing GM tickets where they reported people for kicking them for apparently no reason and the GMs said the kicking person was not in the wrong.

I was avoiding this but... Someone else is gonna say it if I don't.... "You could form your own pf and only invite 4 SMN as the dps!" That would be a new trend! "SMN ONRY, no other dps...SMN only good jorb"

[CosmicKirby]

Yikes, it's that long? 4 months? I thought it was every 3 months they released big patches?

I think people are factoring in the month 'off' that the devs took after the release of Heavensward.

[ThunderGodThor]

Snipiddy snip

You can make any rules you want on PF and kick anyone for any reason. Doesn't mean it will fill up though.

You're 100% right, if someone doesn't want a SMN, it's ultimately their decision (one I disagree with), and the OP should make his own. Chances are it'll fill up.

[Cherie]

You can make any rules you want on PF and kick anyone for any reason. Doesn't mean it will fill up though.

You're 100% right, if someone doesn't want a SMN, it's ultimately their decision (one I disagree with), and the OP should make his own. Chances are it'll fill up.

Yea, something I used to see on my server is people like to make crazy parties with weird builds. 8 paladin SusanEX and stuff.... lol But ya, weird build parties actually do fill. It's just like when I'm on bard and I see a party where bard is excluded cause the leader is a bard and they don't want a 2nd bard because well, loot. They want the bard loot...lol But it's not like i'd message them to invite me cause I'm gud or I don't want the loot or whatever. Maybe I'd message them if it looks like it was a accident? But that's it. There is that thing where if someone leaves your pf it sets that role they were in as the preferred... it's a wierd bug... :x

[Aomine1992]

We have a SMN in our static and she does just fine? She does well actually so...

Are SMN supposed to be bad? I don't spend my life on reddit...well, not the ffxiv subreddit anyway

SMN isnt bad it just requires a lot more skill then the average player has to even perform decently, its also punished severly if you mess up like a whole minute of spamming ruin cause of that mess up lol And also parsers don't work for SMNs because it doesnt really account for the pet or dots to well

[Kazrah]

I think people are factoring in the month 'off' that the devs took after the release of Heavensward.

I think the whole immediate issue with tank enmity put a damper on that this time around. Pretty sure people are guessing October because it factors in the usual 3-month delay for patches with a couple weeks or so to factor in any hotfixing measures.

As for SMN fixes, I think the real question is whether or not they'll use new means of job testing that involves more soloing and open-world scenarios or if devs will just stick with the same old testing measures that created the issues with SMN in the first place. This would not just determine any sort of breathing room with the rotation, but also whether or not SMN will have means of healing their pet or more suitable AoE damage.

[Laerune]

Assuming SE follows the 3 months patch time, we should get 4.1 mid September, but like others have said, its probably going to be October or else we would have seen more information about 4.1. We do know that 2nd of September there will be a long live stream and the 24 man raid will be discussed, so I am going to assume that is when we get to hear the release date for Patch 4.1\

On-topic:

Summoner right now is not at a great place, so I can not blame players for wanting to recruit other classes. This has happend in other mmorpgs, even happend alot in FFXIV. I remember during ARR WAR was not at a great place either, but then they made it alot better.

As a fellow Summoner, I would advice my fellow Summoners, stay strong, but realistic, the odds that Summoner is going to be fixed at 4.1 is small. Untill we hear more from the developers, I reckon Summoner will stay this way for a while. If you like the class, just keep playing or level Red Mage like most Summoners.

SMN isnt bad it just requires a lot more skill then the average player has to even perform decently, its also punished severly if you mess up like a whole minute of spamming ruin cause of that mess up lol And also parsers don't work for SMNs because it doesnt really account for the pet or dots to well

I dont understand why SE still has this in this game. There are classes that need to do alot more, like positionals or Summoner with its Aetherflow and if they fail, they lose alot of dps. While other classes *cough* Red Mage *cough* has a easy rotation and can deal the same damage (or more ) then those other classes. Its either high skill classes deal alot more damage or SE needs to get rid of the positionals and Aetherflow.

[ErryK]

During 2.x, SE looked into the WHM, as it was always excluded, did they fix it? Nope, SCH was just to good and the only slot in PF available when it came to the healer.

I would love to have some of what you're smoking because last I remember, PF in 2.x always had a slot for 1 WHM and 1 SCH.

[FoxyAreku]

Could be worse.

You could be a machinist.

[Greedalox]

Could be worse.

You could be a machinist.

People still avoid MCH? News to me.