Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Andrien]

Oh yeahNO. Her classes can be Commando, Sentinel (her optimal), Ravanger and forgot the last. Just because she uses a lance does not make her a dragoon, and her dragoon-like-abilities are not sufficient. By your logic a warrior with a lance with dragoon sub is a dragoon because he is using a lance/spear and using abilities like jump.

And oh my, did you just compare Fang to Kaim? You seem to repeat your mistake once more only that this time you took a misstep and fell down a staircase. You realize that Kaim has a spear as main weapon, complete set of Dragoon AF gear, the entire arsenal of dragoon abilities, gear AND is the commander of of the Baron Dragoons. That's a hell of a lot more than what I can say of Fang.

Again, tell me how she is supposed to be relevant to this discussion. Your sense of imagination intrigues me.

Are you trying to insult me by changing the topic?
As posted in http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dragoon
Final Fantasy XIII does not have a Job system, however Oerba Yun Fang uses several trademark Dragoon spears, can summon Bahamut as her Eidolon, and her full ATB skill "Highwind" allows her to perform a powerful Jump attack. An enemy named PSICOM Dragoon appears, but is more based on the historical infantry unit the Job Class is named for rather than the Job itself.

I'm actually surprised you acknowledge Kain for a Dragoon.

[Reliquia]

Are you trying to insult me by changing the topic?
As posted in http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dragoon
Final Fantasy XIII does not have a Job system, however Oerba Yun Fang uses several trademark Dragoon spears, can summon Bahamut as her Eidolon, and her full ATB skill "Highwind" allows her to perform a powerful Jump attack.

I'm actually surprised you acknowledge Kain for a Dragoon.

I will give you one thing, there is a mild reference of dragoon in there somewhere, but that's it. Hardly makes her a dragoon at all.

1) Where does the dragon come in? (Before you say Bahamut bear in mind that being able to summon Bahamut has never been a dragoon trademark, aside from this you have nothing)
2) Where is the dragoon lore?
3) She doesn't look like a dragoon (Not only because the trademark AF isn't present in the game, but she doesn't look like a knight of any sort)
4) She doesn't play like a dragoon (She has a spear that's it. She might have highwind, but her sphere grid has many times more Whm, Blm, and Pld skills. Dragoon is not a class she can chose, however sentinel is one of her strongest classes).
5) Where exactly are we told in the game that she is a drg?

She does not represent what we identify with dragoon. So tell me now, where are you going with this discussion? If you want to play as Fang I suggest that you play FFXIII.

[grandm]

I will give you one thing, there is a mild reference of dragoon in there somewhere, but that's it. Hardly makes her a dragoon at all.

1) Where does the dragon come in? (Before you say Bahamut bear in mind that being able to summon Bahamut has never been a dragoon trademark, aside from this you have nothing)
2) Where is the dragoon lore?
3) She doesn't look like a dragoon (Not only because the trademark AF isn't present in the game, but she doesn't look like a knight of any sort)
4) She doesn't play like a dragoon (She has a spear that's it. She might have highwind, but her sphere grid has many times more Whm, Blm, and Pld skills. Dragoon is not a class she can chose, however sentinel is one of her strongest classes).
5) Where exactly are we told in the game that she is a drg?

She does not represent what we identify with dragoon. So tell me now, where are you going with this discussion? If you want to play as Fang I suggest that you play FFXIII.

i'm sorry i kinda have to disagree. any spear/polearm using character in the final fantasy series that is not called a dragoon directly always has some snipets around them that connect them to their dragoon legacy. nobody ever called cid in ff7 a dragoon. but his limit breaks were so obviously dragoon inspired that any fan could see the connection and the same is true for kilmari in ff10 and fang in ff13

[NadienKirisame]

i'm sorry i kinda have to disagree. any spear/polearm using character in the final fantasy series that is not called a dragoon directly always has some snipets around them that connect them to their dragoon legacy. nobody ever called cid in ff7 a dragoon. but his limit breaks were so obviously dragoon inspired that any fan could see the connection and the same is true for kilmari in ff10 and fang in ff13

Most of them that are not driectly called dragoon have at least to iconic DRG traits... use of a lance or polearm and the JUMP ability even if it is a limit break only jump it still counts...

So in a way you are correct they are DRG so to say... granted it is different between people... the eye of the beholder as they say. You say they are DRG someone else may think they are not. I think they pretty much are but eh that is how I am...

The cat is amused for now... =>.>=

[Reliquia]

i'm sorry i kinda have to disagree. any spear/polearm using character in the final fantasy series that is not called a dragoon directly always has some snipets around them that connect them to their dragoon legacy. nobody ever called cid in ff7 a dragoon. but his limit breaks were so obviously dragoon inspired that any fan could see the connection and the same is true for kilmari in ff10 and fang in ff13

Yes, but in FFXIV we aren't playing the job snippets from drg, we are going to play the job dragoon. That means we have to fully identify with the image, lore and playing style of what we consider to be dragoon. I was just telling that other guy that Fang is not it.

Edit: We = us who are going to play drg or with drgs

[NadienKirisame]

Yes, but in FFXIV we aren't playing the job snippets from drg, we are going to play the job dragoon. That means we have to fully identify the image, lore and playing style of what we consider to be dragoon. I was just telling that other guy that Fang is not it.

What we? or what you?

I see many of you humans do this from time to time... I'm sure you meant you and not we because I am sure you are speaking for yourself and not for all since it seems others think differently then you do... that is all I am saying...

On another note it is great you want to take all the DRG's and pull them together to make a DRG here but really for the most part it seems like all the "wyvern drg" group really wants is their FFXI DRG back with pet in tow... Is that true who knows I can't really speak for them all and I really wont since that was just my opinion based on observation of threads and I am sure not all of such people have posted on threads yet.

The cat is talkative =^o^=

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Yes, but in FFXIV we aren't playing the job snippets from drg, we are going to play the job dragoon. That means we have to fully identify with the image, lore and playing style of what we consider to be dragoon. I was just telling that other guy that Fang is not it.

Edit: We = us who are going to play drg or with drgs

its funny what you would and would not call a Dragoon..... Fang is a Dragoon, as is Cid, Kimari, Freya, Kain, and of the 4 from FFV that used the job, my character in FFXI, they where all Dragoons. Now which was better, that is something that is harder to decide, but looking at them all, the Dragoons that stayed closer to their true lore are the ones from FF II - X, and those are the types of Dragoons that need an online version, FFXI had its turn, now let the others........

[NadienKirisame]

Edit: We = us who are going to play drg or with drgs

But then you would be including a lot more people... I for one will play a drg since the two jobs I love are whm and drg so then are you saying you are speaking for me? Or do you mean you are speaking for the drgs that want pets as we?

I am trying to understand you here you see you humans have this great complex logical... erm or was that illogical thinking and wording... I'm sorry I really don't wish to insult you or any other humans its just well sometimes its like you don't really know what you want to say?? maybe that is it?

The cat is confused =?.?=

[Reliquia]

But then you would be including a lot more people... I for one will play a drg since the two jobs I love are whm and drg so then are you saying you are speaking for me? Or do you mean you are speaking for the drgs that want pets as we?

I am trying to understand you here you see you humans have this great complex logical... erm or was that illogical thinking and wording... I'm sorry I really don't wish to insult you or any other humans its just well sometimes its like you don't really know what you want to say?? maybe that is it?

The cat is confused =?.?=

Let me break this down for you pussycat. When FXIV players play the job Dragoon, they have certain expectations to what the job is going to look like and play like. When I say what we expect I mean the collected mentality. Obviously dragoon has an identity, established in the early Final Fantasy games with some tweaks and innovations along the line.

Pretty much up until this date the job dragoon has been portrayed numerous times by the same trademarks, such as. (I might be forgetting something btw, possible)
- The dragoon AF set.
- Spear as the main weapon (with some exception)
- Dragoon abilities
- A connection to dragons
- Dragoon being a DDing class
Additionally FFXI gave drg a mascot that has to some degree also become a dragoon trademark, when we look at it we immediately think of it as the "dragoon's companion".

I am not saying that all of these have to be in place in order to call it dragoon, I am just saying that there are certain expectations to what a dragoon should bring, some putting more emphasis on some of these trademarks. For instance, I think we can agree that the collective mentality thinks that the FFXIV dragoon should resemble something like this:

This is an accurate look of what we identify with the dragoon look.

Now FFXI took a similar approach, took the image a step further and adding a wyvern, making it look like this:


That was what I was talking about when you quoted me, that's what the post was about. Just to summarize my stand I feel like the concept they have showed of dragoon looks more like a step backwards from FFXIs version, and I think it looks less appealing, and I prefer the company of a wyvern companion rather than a stand alone job. That's it.

Is the cat still confused =?.?=

[NadienKirisame]

Let me break this down for you pussycat. When FXIV players play the job Dragoon, they have certain expectations to what the job is going to look like and play like. When I say what we expect I mean the collected mentality. Obviously dragoon has an identity, established in the early Final Fantasy games with some tweaks and innovations along the line.

Pretty much up until this date the job dragoon has been portrayed numerous times by the same trademarks, such as. (I might be forgetting something btw, possible)
- The dragoon AF set.
- Spear as the main weapon (with some exception)
- Dragoon abilities
- A connection to dragons
- Dragoon being a DDing class
Additionally FFXI gave drg a mascot that has to some degree also become a dragoon trademark, when we look at it we immediately think of it as the "dragoon's companion".

I am not saying that all of these have to be in place in order to call it dragoon, I am just saying that there are certain expectations to what a dragoon should bring, some putting more emphasis on some of these trademarks. For instance, I think we can agree that the collective mentality thinks that the FFXIV dragoon should resemble something like this:

This is an accurate look of what we identify with the dragoon look.

Now FFXI took a similar approach, took the image a step further and adding a wyvern, making it look like this:


That was what I was talking about when you quoted me, that's what the post was about. Just to summarize my stand I feel like the concept they have showed of dragoon looks more like a step backwards from FFXIs version, and I think it looks less appealing, and I prefer the company of a wyvern companion rather than a stand alone job. That's it.

Is the cat still confused =?.?=

Hehe thank you I think that is cute calling me pussycat =*.*= makes me starry eyed and all that fun stuff...

Though I posted something about this in the other DRG wyvern thread I think I will repast it as far a trademarks and traditions go... Would you really say the wyvern is part of the DRG tradition? Something in only one game I would not call tradition or a trademark of a class/job... Now if the DRG's in several FF games had pet wyverns I could see it as a traditional element of DRG and part of the trademark of abilities/items always show to be with a DRG... Trademark wise DRG have only a few that are almost always present in each game and that would be of course the draconic looking armor, Jump, and the use of a lance or pole arm. You can not add one thing to something in one game and suddenly call it tradition or a trademark of that thing be it class/job or persons.

So really I would not call the wyvern on FFXI a DRG trademark... And yes I have played many many FF games and had a lvl 75 DRG in XI before I stopped and yes I loved that job a lot since DRG is one of my 2 fav jobs in all of FF WHM being the other fav job. Though the wyvern was a nice touch in that game I do not consider it a trademark nor a tradition of the DRG job/class.

I'm really trying to figure out while some cling to the wyvern like they do... as if it was you little lost puppy and you want it back... Then again I must remind myself humans get attached to some silly things from time to time.

The cat is... bemused and amused =^.^=