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    Expecting people to play the way YOU want is just naive. How many forum threads about this general subject matter do we need? Healers not DPSing, healers DPSing, tanks not using CDs, tank over-pulling or under-pulling, DPS under performing in any myriad of ways.... How can people be so dense as to think others will change what they are doing simply because you expect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Expecting people to play the way YOU want is just naive. How many forum threads about this general subject matter do we need? Healers not DPSing, healers DPSing, tanks not using CDs, tank over-pulling or under-pulling, DPS under performing in any myriad of ways.... How can people be so dense as to think others will change what they are doing simply because you expect it.
    Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.
    There are right and wrong ways to play.
    There are also varying degrees of how well it's executed.

    People aren't asking for amazing execution, just correct skill usage for the situation.
    There is literally no argument for not utilizing all your available skills.
    In situations where there are more than 4 mobs, there is literally no reason a player shouldn't be using AoE skills, aside from keeping buffs up.

    Enabling players to "play how they want" only means 3 (or 7) other people are required to carry a good portion of that player's weight by making up the required difference.

    Again, no one is asking for 95 percentile performance, but simply using AoE skills when the situation calls for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altena View Post
    Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.
    As if you can force others do what you want...

    Your only options are leave or kick. A personal crusade to teach everyone how to "git gud" leads only to big headaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    As if you can force others do what you want...

    Your only options are leave or kick. A personal crusade to teach everyone how to "git gud" leads only to big headaches.
    Again, no one is asking for 95 percentile performance, but simply using AoE skills when the situation calls for it.
    Lalaru, I'm curious. Are you okay with letting people target mobs however they want or are you going to ask people to AoE when you do large pulls? Because, what's the harm is asking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Lalaru, I'm curious. Are you okay with letting people target mobs however they want or are you going to ask people to AoE when you do large pulls? Because, what's the harm is asking?
    Well, as long as I am in a PUG, I know I need to deal with whatever comes. Apart the regen thing of the OP, I usually start duty with a "mid" sized pull, I mean, something that can be aoe'd but even if single target'd, the healer is fine anyway, and then will take measure of what the group is capable of, looking at how that pull is killed.

    If everything melts instantly, it is a green flag for max possible pulls and the opposite, as mobs dying slower than Violetta, means single pulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altena View Post
    Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.
    There are right and wrong ways to play.
    There are also varying degrees of how well it's executed.

    People aren't asking for amazing execution, just correct skill usage for the situation.
    There is literally no argument for not utilizing all your available skills.
    My post isn't specific just to this topic, nor do I personally agree with some peoples choice of play style. My point is, no amount of complaining/discussion about people's play-style is going to change things. I've been in many horrible DF groups, as many of you have, and the reality is they will keep occurring from time to time. You just deal with it and move on, or make a PF group with friends.
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