I hate that BRD is so dependent on DRGs Buffs/Debuff

[prophecy4seen]

Honestly sounds like crying.. You want to be competitive with other classes, maybe you want to be 1st place in dps with your team by the end of the raid encounter. Why not just manually calculate what 5% more damage would of done.. If your second place the person above you is only marginally better.. take pride in knowing that if you had a goon, you would likely of won.

I think everyone forgets that the bard/mch is prettymuch the only class that is genuinely suppose to have 100% uptime. Blm/Smn/Rdm all have cast times. that can be interupted.. If your melee, there are mechanics you may need to avoid resulting in you not being able to attack the boss.. Only Physical Ranged DPS get the best of all worlds.. Would it be fair that they do the most damage?
With the recent MCH buffs, we are basically back to a world where the best comp is NIN/DRG/MCH/BRD. I'm really failing to see how anyone can complain when there are bards and machinist easily doing 5.2k+ damage.

[Eyvhokan]

It's the fact the BRD (and MCN) is actually reliant on the DRG for full potential. They are in effect tethered to the class. Another BRD or MCN that does have a DRG is just gets 5% more damage. If you do 4k dps without the DRG, that's another 200dps that you're missing out on.

Like imagine of RDM had a fire vulnerability debuff on hitting with Jolt - BLM would then need a RDM present to reach full potential.

Imagine if the slashing debuff was removed from NIN and SAM. Now NIN and SAM need to have a warrior tank/OT to reach their full potential.

Now when it comes to balance, what do you balance these classes around?

In the abstract, the classes with the dependencies either are substandard every time the other is not present, or balanced they are clearly the optimum choice to always take for max damage because of it.

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The slashing debuff is in the same boat, but there's less of a single dependency because NIN, SAM and WAR all provide it rather than only DRG, so there are far more comp options. And you always want NIN anyway.

[Lastelli]

The slashing debuff is in the same boat, but there's less of a single dependency because NIN, SAM and WAR all provide it rather than only DRG, so there are far more comp options. And you always want NIN anyway.

You always want a DRG too, at least if we're talking about the optimal party composition. If not, any composition is perfectly fine.

[Eyvhokan]

You always want a DRG too, at least if we're talking about the optimal party composition. If not, any composition is perfectly fine.

That's why I mentioned before:

>In the abstract, the classes with the dependencies either are substandard every time the other is not present, or balanced they are clearly the optimum choice to always take for max damage because of it.

NIN BRD DRG

[Neela]

It's the fact the BRD (and MCN) is actually reliant on the DRG for full potential. They are in effect tethered to the class. Another BRD or MCN that does have a DRG is just gets 5% more damage. If you do 4k dps without the DRG, that's another 200dps that you're missing out on.

Like imagine of RDM had a fire vulnerability debuff on hitting with Jolt - BLM would then need a RDM present to reach full potential.

If you say they are thetered for full potential, you have to say that Blm/Rdm need a smn for full potential as well. Ever heard someone complaining bout they can't buff themselves to avoid the "need" of a smn buffslave to reach full potential? If I follow your argument every cls need a buffslave cls to reach maximum - so it's not a Brd specific problem. So what's the point in trying to make it a Brd only problem?

[Azerhan]

If you say they are thetered for full potential, you have to say that Blm/Rdm need a smn for full potential as well. Ever heard someone complaining bout they can't buff themselves to avoid the "need" of a smn buffslave to reach full potential? If I follow your argument every cls need a buffslave cls to reach maximum - so it's not a Brd specific problem. So what's the point in trying to make it a Brd only problem?

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BRD is a job to help the team. It's normal if they are the last dps, because it's there role. And considering that the job in incomplete because you need another buff from another job is an error, because every job will deals more damage with another job. So with this logique, all job is incomplete...

[HyoMinPark]

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BRD is a job to help the team. It's normal if they are the last dps, because it's there role. And considering that the job in incomplete because you need another buff from another job is an error, because every job will deals more damage with another job. So with this logique, all job is incomplete...

It's not that every job is reliant on others for full potential and thus incomplete, therefore there is nothing wrong with BRD/MCH being reliant on DRG. It's that BRD/MCH are the only physical DPS jobs that do not apply their own damage resistance debuff to an enemy. Instead, they have to rely on a DRG if they want the damage increase from Disembowel's piercing resistance down, where as the other physical DPS all apply their respective debuffs as part of their standard rotation.

BRDs may be a support, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are last place in terms of DPS.

If one group has SCH/MNK/NIN/RDM/BRD, and another has WHM/DRG/SAM/BLM/BRD - the former would give you Chain Strat, Brotherhood, Trick Attack and Embolden, while the latter would only give you Disembowel and Battle Litany... and possibly Dragon Sight, although they really shouldn't be giving that to the Bard!

Actually, if the BRD has the highest DPS in the group, or second highest after the DRG, the Dragon Sight tether should most definitely go to the BRD.

[Hakuohsama]

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Do you even read? I dont want to be the Top DPS in my group. Its just unfair that my full potential is hinddered when i dont have a DRG in my Group.
And DRG is the ONLY Class that can provide this debuff for me and thats stuipid.

And 5k Dmg? Yeah fully maxed out with DRG etc.. you can do that.. thats the whole Point that its impossible without it and simply stuipid that you get hindered by Classes.