FFXIV is not Dyslexia friendly, can we at least get off "One exchange per lifetime"

[Chiramu]

This thread is a great example of who to stay away from in FFXIV .

This thread also has a lot of great ideas that I too would like implemented as QoL. Just an FYI FFXIV people, development teams can work on MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME and what's better, THEY CAN RELEASE MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME. What is this argument about there are better things to prioritise? If you keep putting QoL back then guess what, people will just move back to WoW because it is more accessible to them.

[filexcl]

Oh no .. you have to get that 1x bolt from omega again ... so damn hard ..



Btw.

"HEALING"

"CASTING"

on the rings..


tip: count the letters in the name of a item if you wanna be so damn sure .. i mean "Quicktongue" = 11 "Quickarm" = 8.

Edit: hell you even get a second chance to make sure you are buying the right item as you needed to trade in the bolt.

https://geon.github.io/programming/2016/03/03/dsxyliea

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[Jybril]

https://geon.github.io/programming/2016/03/03/dsxyliea

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That is awful. I can't even read 3rd word in the paragraph.
I feel bad for those who have to read really long words.
Is that how they see words all the time or just sometimes?

[Krotoan]

A timed re-exchange for endgame or limited currency items is non intrusive on the rest of the playerbase and would help people with these problems.

Sounds good. Put it in please!

[Ametrine]

Also reported first response. Terrible.

Anyway, they could opt to add an exchage NPC or option pretty easily. As long as it has no spiritbond as a requirement for the exchange, it can't be abused.

[Claviusnex]

Really, though, what would be the disadvantage to a brief sell-back period. It's not exactly code-intensive. Unless there's the occasional worried purchaser who enjoys eyeing the menus with the intensity of a savage raider looking for subtle telegraphs (hyperbole obviously; there are only obvious telegraphs or none at all), what's to lose?

I never said there was a disadvantage. Given how screwy some of the things are in FFXIV I wouldn't say it would be easy to code and with everything else that needs work I'd rather see effort put into fixing those first. Even if it is something easy and SE decided to implement the function it wouldn't surprise me if they held off till the next xpac. So we would still have a couple of years to live with what we have and for me to kick myself a few more times for not hitting the item box I want with my mouse.

[Chiramu]

A timed re-exchange for endgame or limited currency items is non intrusive on the rest of the playerbase and would help people with these problems.

Sounds good. Put it in please!

Not "re-exchange" just have a system like WoW where you have a timer counting down which allows you to sell the item for what you paid for it back to the vendor. It would solved all the problems and eliminate any need for a "once off item restore".

[Snow_Princess]

Why are people insisting I do not "check and take my time?" I can stare at something for 5 hours and the mistake can still happen. You are right, we do not know, but in the end it is their fault for having that mess to begin with. They shouldn't have rushed 1.0 out like they did, 3.0 felt rushed as far as job balance research, they rush out ideas like no chat in feast. I do not think I am the only one that should be told " take your time with things" I do, I read much slower then other people, and still mix things up. I write slow and still write down letters in the wrong order and have to correct it,same with typing (sometimes I reverse full word order) What you see me post is revised a few times while having a spell check because I can't sound some words properly for the life of me.

Then been doing the same copy/paste stuff for years, on top of excess menu bloat. I do not understand why there is so much excess menu names that are not needed and some menu names do not even tell you what it has. I am just tried of hunting down items though menu mazes, having too much copy/paste icon pictures, and close item names/gear names.

Having different messages like "your current job can't quip this" wouldn't help at all with this situation. The problem was I wanted a healer ring after buying caster ring, I mixed up going up and down, thought I was selecting healer ring because the names are so much alike. I even tried to equip the healer brace on the ring slot because I did not know I bought the healer brace.

A few problems with just the overall they do things.
They list things as DoL (I) and DoL(II) , it took me a while to know what even Do... (To show people more how many issues I have and it is not simply too small UI print, I was typing DoL and not DoW til this point)
Anyways it took me a few years to understand what DoW and DoL was and how to pick from a menu with what I wanted. It was hard for me to go to DoWII for .. Dex melee? jobs, most of the time if I was trying to find gear for say brd or WHM, i would keep picking the wrong menus. FOR A LONG TIME!! I was picking DoW II = WHM.

Then it is how they list gear, they do not do it by job, but by slot. This is another reason I got mixed up. If I wanted a ring for WHM, I could simply gone to the last selection for whm then last selection for BLM. But because they do it by slot, I mixed up where the ring was and thought I really bought the healer ring when I bought the brace.

Some other ideas make it less confusing:
Instead of listing stuff like DoL or DoW, or whatever do this:
Tank
Healer
Melee DPS
Magical range DPS
Physical range DPS

You would have to change ninja to be str to fit this but.. idk what the big deal in making nin dex is to begin with. To me the sloppy menu labeling is simply from the fact they want to retain 1.0 stuff and not consider what it does when listing stuff like that does for ease of access. A lot of menus in the game are vague, and something I always wanted speak about, but was resistant because of the reactions that took place here. It is just being cheated out of the weekly time game broke the camel back sort of speak and would like to see less confusing menu titles. The replies here sadden me, telling me I have to take the time to read when people are not taking the time to understand what I am saying.

Just because I do not show it with my typing does not mean it does not exist, you have no idea how much I read, reread and edit, why do you think all my posts have edits so much? Has nothing to do with text being to small. I am a bit shocked because again, people are not even understanding what was the mistake was. Many are assuming the mistake was the caster ring. It was not the caster ring, I wanted the caster ring, I wanted the healing ring, what I did not want was the healing brace. I do not like defending lack of access because of 1.0, they should be able to sort out menus to be clearer. They made a change to the GC menus in 3.xx that MADE THEM CONFUSING! so if they can make menus more confusing, they can change it to make it less confusing. Why in the hell did they do that anyway? wish they reverse it/ never made that change. To text size UI change is not going to make "material" and materials" confusing and knowing magically what each means. They both have materials for gear? WTH where they thinking in doing that????????????????????????????

That is awful. I can't even read 3rd word in the paragraph.
I feel bad for those who have to read really long words.
Is that how they see words all the time or just sometimes?

I do not think that is how it is exactly, at least for me. It is more of a processing of information and recalling it comes out. I do not "see" the word, letter for letter at times (as far as processing it) It is more like I take in the full word as an image. If it looks too similar and near eachother as another, it might as well be the same word. Like this:

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Look at this pic:

What I see is "place inside iddy/place outside iddy/place outside iddy" I do not know what it intends on what spot is what esp with how iddy is laid out with the other zone. I can see north = up, south = down, so west and east is flipped depending if I am leaving iddy or exiting. Since the reference is flipped and I get confused what east and west is to begin with, I got no clue what leads to what. Also the reason I say "iddy" and not the full place is because I can't process the full name and recall it, those are just the letters that stick out I can process. Sometimes when I make posts like this I will copy and paste from the game or other sources on names though the translator so people know what I am saying.

For this:

I do not know what they intend, I still don't The topic titles of those menus is the same word to me, but one has a S at the end. I have no clue how those words label what is under them, so I menu cycle till I find what I want. Both of those words have no meaning to me and do not tell me what is there. I can read "east" and "west" fine, it is knowing what both means and those meanings sometimes gets flipped leading me going the wrong way. Another example is I needed call my vet today and the phone number and fax started out the same (phone number on top) Like this very situation, I thought I was reading the top but ended up putting the last 4 numbers in my phone from the fax number line. With this in game situation, I flipped the locations where the healing ring was, and the healing brace was (one being above the caster ring, one being below it)

People keep telling me it is my fault for not reading a message, this fact does not do anything for the situation...
I do not know how many times I need to say:
1. I wanted a caster ring, I baught caster ring, happy.
2. I wanted buy healing ring
3.I thought I did buy healing ring
4. I go to equip the "healing ring" on my healer then I get a message "This item can't be equipped in this slot""
5. I tried it 2 or 3 more times, confused why it was not working
6. Highlight the item that was supposed to be my healer ring and my heart sank that I had brace item.
I lost a weekly time gate because the game punishes you for having information processing problems. I have enough problems with Dyslexia as is, and it is part of the reason I can't even comprehend the story of this game. It overloads me esp with the "busy work" side quests, and can't remember how to tie the main story and disregard the side stuff. I only understand chunks here and there and leads me forgetting what the story is completely. I do not know why my character, warrior of light started this path to start and help people, despite doing it... 10 times? I am not sure, more then 8 though, getting to lv 17 part for retainer access. I only remember/recall the dragon war part, why we fight niddly (another name I can't process fully as I try recall letter to letter) I also know I did not like the force shoe in to get us into ishagard < no idea if I got this right (looks like I just added an A in my version)

As I tried to explain earlier in this post, when buying stuff and trying to find items, I mix up the meanings of DoL, DoW... .. DoM... um..? I think there is a 4th.. idk.. but I mix them up a lot when I was new and took a couple of years to sort them out enough to know what those hide behind menu selections. I also mix up the 3 main materias by name (det,crit,DH) but because the stat name is very different, it never effected me as far as problems, even though they use the same icons as well. However once you do the skill speed and spell speed ones, those names are too close a like, the name of the materia is too much alike, and the stat bonus name is too much alike. This is why my BLM had skill speed on it once, because I thought I did buy spell speed. It takes me a lot of effort to make sure I have the right one, and it does get mentally tiring after a while.

Here is another accessibility problem I have because of this:


Those map markers are to help me distinguish < (had to enter this word in google 6 times to get me to the word I needed) where is where. Also having 2.0 area (I say 2.0 not... whatever the 3 letters people use because they are gibberish to me) under HW section still throws me off and leads for me taking a bit of time to teleport to the right place. Looking closer I see why, it is because both the HW and 2.0 are named alike, while having the same icon next to it while being under the same teleport section. I really do not like that and hope they change mixing different expansion areas under the same listing like that.

Another problem I have in this game, but more rare in RL is it happening with numbers (even though I just gave an example of that) I need.. breaks after sets of 3, so it takes a lot of effort knowing how much exp I need when someone asks me. When I first got into HW my answer would be, 34xxxxx i can't read the rest. Now for SB its easier because I know it is out of millions so I can say oh i got 3.4 M so 7.4 to go for level 70.

I never said there was a disadvantage. Given how screwy some of the things are in FFXIV I wouldn't say it would be easy to code and with everything else that needs work I'd rather see effort put into fixing those first. Even if it is something easy and SE decided to implement the function it wouldn't surprise me if they held off till the next xpac. So we would still have a couple of years to live with what we have and for me to kick myself a few more times for not hitting the item box I want with my mouse.

But they spent time to make a change to make menus MORE CONFUSING! I rather have them fix the coding, and address functionality issues more then releasing the same boring treadmill every 2 months. They had years to address this "poor coding" defense and they keep putting it off, so at this point my view it is all on them for putting it off for so long. In the end it is up to us to tell them about problems with the game, so something can be done about it, not sit back and never say anything because "oh game has poor coding so it is ok to have basic accessibility problems.

again sigh, sorry for such delayed replies:

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What is your name on Balmung, Jybril?

[Shurrikhan]

I never said there was a disadvantage. Given how screwy some of the things are in FFXIV I wouldn't say it would be easy to code and with everything else that needs work I'd rather see effort put into fixing those first. Even if it is something easy and SE decided to implement the function it wouldn't surprise me if they held off till the next xpac.

I guess I just really don't want to continue excusing the lack of staple functionalities that other MMOs have tended to have upon release, as early as 13 years ago, be it buyback, zoneless swimming, quick-travel via map rather than (primarily) a list, right-click functionality (without needing a context menu) on items and inventory, or whatever else. Half the time it feels like there has to be some significant portion of the staff that sit around commenting at every meeting, "but is it reaaaaaallllyyy necessary?" to an extent that likely fills more than half the time any of their vetoed coding additions would have taken. Yes, there's a balance to what ought be developed next, and this tiny change would be only a minor convenience boost, but I'm just so tired of things skipping the obvious or making do with something that would clearly require more work to redo later than to do right in the first place (see PvP glamour).

[Chiramu]

What's funny about this problem is the dev team of FFXIV were happy to receive an accessibility award from Ablegamers charity when they reviewed the game with disabled peoples in mind. It's surprising how they are not thinking about disabled people anymore.