SCH adlo and succor

[Kabzy]

You've said the class doesn't work. I'm saying that nobody has any problem clearing Omega Savage with SCH and some of the high parses from O4S have a SCH in the party.

That N.AST performs better as a shielder than SCH? Well bad luck, WHM used to be the regen healer and D.AST has more regens.

I'm assuming their point was that it's not good class design when the only thing making SCH viable is the bandaid fixes it got recently. Which I think we can all agree on is true, there is no way people would be taking 4.0 SCH in raids if they were serious about progression. At least not for O3/4s. The job is viable, it's good but it's also a valid opinion for people to speculate that it's still the worst out of the three healers.

Your last sentence is also just petty. This isn't some competition as you're trying to make it out. All that the good healer mains want is for the three jobs to remain balanced, but for them to also maintain some identity and fun in playstyle.

[Dzian]

That N.AST performs better as a shielder than SCH? Well bad luck, WHM used to be the regen healer and D.AST has more regens.

Think that kind of highlights why ast is so op. Better at shielding than a scholar. Better at regens than a whm. Great utility and dps It's ridiculously strong on all fronts.

[Vyriah]

You've said the class doesn't work. I'm saying that nobody has any problem clearing Omega Savage with SCH and some of the high parses from O4S have a SCH in the party.

That N.AST performs better as a shielder than SCH? Well bad luck, WHM used to be the regen healer and D.AST has more regens.

I said it doesn't work as a class, but you would have to read beyond "how can I tell this player I never played with he is bad from what he wrote" to get what it means.
You can't justifify anything by high-end player do this, or I could just ask any DPS a cros a 4k to 5k kind of performance. I'm actually progressing well in the content and I'm confident I can and will certainly clear it. It won't change how broken by design, if "as a class" or even "as a fight" bother you so much. It's not working, it was just made to work.

Are you really playing healer ? All about what you say is "someone else did this", but I'm talking from my experience with classes I've actually played in basically every content possible in this patch. Because like all of those people that try to make a point just because they want to make a point, you start by the absurd idea that healers are opposed to each, while to real question is how the synergize with each other. Absolutly anyone playing healer get that and "NocAST doesn't have HoT" or "you can't use earthly star as an instant AoE heal" doesn't exist in the game. Last time it was "you can use lustrate three time in a raw so SCH kit is stronger" juste where are you searching those absurd arguments ?
No one does that unless they start to slam they keyboard in panic, wich mean any class kit possible isn't really what matters in this situation.

Also, WHM never was the regen job and AST HoT potencies are all under the WHM ones. Even with diurnal new potency buff.

They way you talk about class design doesn't take into consideration the game it self, it's just floating consideration you use to take a condescending tone. How can every talk about SCH, and healer for what it worth, end up like that ? You guys are really goddamn toxic, please get a clue about it.

[Born_Free]

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> Hasn't leveled SCH to 70
> Comes into a SCH thread throwing shade
> Thinks Savage Players are the same as regular-ass dungeoneers
>MFW

Sit down son. The Scholar Mains are talking.

[technole]

I'm assuming their point was that it's not good class design when the only thing making SCH viable is the bandaid fixes it got recently. Which I think we can all agree on is true, there is no way people would be taking 4.0 SCH in raids if they were serious about progression. At least not for O3/4s. The job is viable, it's good but it's also a valid opinion for people to speculate that it's still the worst out of the three healers.

O4S World 3rd was WHM/SCH (2nd was only a few seconds faster) by Stellarium on Gilgamesh. Please sit down.

[inhaledcorn]

O4S World 3rd was WHM/SCH (2nd was only a few seconds faster) by Stellarium on Gilgamesh. Please sit down.

"The top 1% of players are completely indicative of the entire playerbase and job balancing."

[Vyriah]

O4S World 3rd was WHM/SCH (2nd was only a few seconds faster) by Stellarium on Gilgamesh. Please sit down.

Just please try to understand : it's not the point.

you can beat someone with a chair on a wrestling ring, it's not what chair are made for. You can clear with SCH and if you want to play with it, you can play with, but it's kit has a lot of inconsistencies that makes it hard to do its job.
Its DPS is a good addition to a party if you can do with the missing HPS having a SCH bring, and miasma 2 is interesting (even though point blank cast makes no sense) but a lot of the kit feel clunky at best.

I just want a job where I can press the skill i want to press at the moment I want because I think it how I'm gonna contribute to the fight and not something were I press the OP boutton because it's only obvious good thing to do.

[technole]

"The top 1% of players are completely indicative of the entire playerbase and job balancing."

I was responding to serious progression, and the hardcore used SCH just fine. Just like how AST was World 3rd in Midas with a JP group, and World 1st in Creator with Angered. All the while when people were still saying everyone needed a White Mage.

Guess what? All three healers have a pretty balanced clear rate of all of Deltascape Savage, the most balanced since AST was introduced in HW. No healer is clearly lagging behind. Last tier it was White Mage was the least-used, and that's mostly because of the Balance card meta and healing requirements were pretty lax.

[inhaledcorn]

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And I am saying that people at the apex of skill and knowledge can make pretty much any job work. It's when they can't that the Job is major trouble. I am also going to say that, yeah, of course a SCH seems exceptionally strong in a raid setting - they're heavily tuned to that environment, perhaps more so than any other job (maybe except SMN). A lot of SCH's healing potential assumes that you have a co-healer. When you don't, SCH notably suffers with the high cost and low effectiveness of their main source of healing.

[Kabzy]

O4S World 3rd was WHM/SCH (2nd was only a few seconds faster) by Stellarium on Gilgamesh. Please sit down.

Except if you'd actually read, I didn't at any point say that SCH was a bad job. In fact I even said it was good, alongside the other two healers.

The points I made were that it would be nicer for the job to get buffs in relation to mitigation and the Faerie as these are aspects that used to make the job unique. I also mentioned that in order to do this it would make sense for SCH to get nerfed in other areas, like Indom for example.

If you're going to make pointless contributions, at least read up before you do so.