Where are all the healers?

[gti443]

Yes, if you join a savage party knowing it's below the recommended ilvl

We don't actually know the "recommended" item level, or what ilvl + food + meld + etc. magic numbers Yoshida and Co. are balancing around. He is most assuredly not talking about minimum item level, so... yeah.

Just ballparking I would guess its around min ilvl +10 so about i320 for V1, 325 for V2, 330 for V3, and 335 or so for V4.

[Destatiredux]

Taika and Lastelli, are you speaking for savage content only? Or content in general? Because the response Taiko gave was to a post that was concerning content in general, and his example applies to purely savage or equivalent content. If you read my post, I do agree with you- savage content can't be done with dps alone at our current gear level, and healers joining such parties are the ones who decide, consciously or not, to dps by joining such content. Playing at 100% across all boards in cutting edge content is expected and failure to do so is up to the party to handle. However, that doesn't mean that savage standards and practices should apply to general, casual content in every situation, especially when concerning how players feel they should dictate how a person plays when others in the party or even they themselves might not be playing to their own standards. I stand by what I said in my previous post.

[Taika]

Taika and Lastelli, are you speaking for savage content only? Or content in general?

Yeah I was talking about Savage content, since that's what Yoshi P talks about when he talks about balancing and DPS checks, and you were referring to him. With all this DPS check talk I'm only referring to Savage since it's the only content with (significant) DPS checks.

But the question of if healer should DPS or not is not really about if the healer DPS is required to beat the content or not. It's about choosing to (or choosing not to) be an effective party member and contributing with DPS in situations in which that's the most efficient way to contribute (= when there's nothing to heal and you have plenty of MP). Healers only need to DPS in certain Savage content in the sense that that's the only content where healer DPS is absolutely required to beat the fight. But healers should DPS in all content if they have the opportunity (and they normally should have the opportunity, more or less).

[Sebazy]

The DPS checks in story content tend to be incredibly lax right from the get go, a good case in point would be the 4 man menagerie runs that were posted here a bit back. Primals are a little less forgiving, but still nothing like the later Savage turns (RIP Thordan, we miss you xoxo)

[Lastelli]

However, that doesn't mean that savage standards and practices should apply to general, casual content in every situation.

Of course. But keep in mind that if savage content can be solohealed, then casual content like ex primals can be solohealed as well, and way more easily. This is why players expect healers to dps and most healers DO dps in lakshmi/susano farm parties. If they didn't they would have literally nothing to do for a good part of the encounter. The same is true in dungeons. I usually do my expert roulette as a sch and I can assure you that the fairy can soloheal basically any boss in lvl 70 dungeons. What should I do while the rest of the party is trying to kill the boss? Watch netflix?

[Penthea]

The DPS checks in story content tend to be incredibly lax right from the get go, a good case in point would be the 4 man menagerie runs that were posted here a bit back. Primals are a little less forgiving, but still nothing like the later Savage turns (RIP Thordan, we miss you xoxo)

This is a tangent but I recall being extremely disappointed by the msq version of Thordan. Even by msq standards that fight is insultingly easy. The story spends so much time going on about the ridiculous lengths Thordan went to get power...only for the fight to be full of npcs I doubt could successfully do Aurum Vale.

[Fernosaur]

(RIP Thordan, we miss you xoxo)

Preach =(

Favorite fight in the game tbh.

[Vyriah]

blablabla

Do you even read what's written ?
Yeah, I started arround creator, how so noobish of me. I was busing playing a game were Endfaust type of boss can be found in normal dungeons.

Like I said, what I like is Coil of Bahamut type of difficulty. Omega's figth are mostly lame and rest on player flaw to get you to wipe. And most of it rest on the healer. Your "but xxx is harder" means nothing when people are stressed enough bat the game they decide to spot playing what they liked.

But I guess looking down on others is enough for you. It's not like I didn't expect your reaction before even I saw it.

[technole]

The DPS checks in story content tend to be incredibly lax right from the get go, a good case in point would be the 4 man menagerie runs that were posted here a bit back. Primals are a little less forgiving, but still nothing like the later Savage turns (RIP Thordan, we miss you xoxo)

From mrhappy's interview with YoshiP before 4.05, on a certain Minstrel's Ballad fight coming in 4.1:

Naoki Yoshida:
Thank you, I am happy to hear you are enjoying it.

Since The Royal Menagerie was the final battle in the Stormblood main scenario, I struggled in adjusting the difficulty level because I wanted players to feel the power of Shinryu during the fight—that is why it’s a bit on the difficult side. We are, of course, working on an extreme trial for Shinryu leading up to Patch 4.1. We are making adjustments that push the difficulty to the limits so that this fight will be as satisfying as “The Minstrel’s Ballad: Thordan’s Reign” – please look forward to it!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ueWOrA/preview

[Lastelli]

Omega's figth are mostly lame and rest on player flaw to get you to wipe. And most of it rest on the healer.

Ooooh...you're one of those healers that think that healing is so hard and everyone else has it easy and everything rests on the healers' shoulders? Try playing some dps, maybe I'll see you complaining in the dps section because you were kicked for low dps.
Coil was the first raid in the game, of course it was undertuned. Also, healers didn't have the plethora of healing cd they have now after two expansions.
And if you want to do easy content, this game has a lot of it. Maybe you'd be able to enjoy this game more if you stopped at ex primals since you seem so distressed by savage content?