Broadened Difficulty Settings For All Dungeons?

[Alerith]

I don't recall the exact words but yoshida said mmo games should be like an amusement park , and it should have things for everyone to do.

Casual and harcore players would go into the park with different motives. Casuals would play for fun, to have fun, while hardcore would try to beat everyones score and win the biggest teddybear to have bragging rights. The beauty of this amusement park saying, is that everyone is enjoying the same content, just in different ways, and for different things.

Close.

Keeping in with the amusement park example:

Some rides have height requirements.
Some rides have age requirements.
Some games require more skill than others.

By that example, the current model works just fine, as there is something for everyone, but not everything is for everyone, which is as it should be.

A kid who is too short to ride the Top Thrill Dragster (A casual who can't fight the real Ifrit) shouldn't complain that they need to make an identical ride scaled to their height. (As a casual player shouldn't expect an endgame fight to be scaled to them.)

Casual players shouldn't be able to do the content, at all, if they can't put the time in to do it at it's appropriate level and difficulty. There is still plenty of other things for Casuals to do because, as we agree, it's an amusement park.

[DoctorMog]

Can we get a mod to close this thread already?

Everything was already said in the last 50 page thread on the exact same subject.

[Enma]

Capped Dungeon, could it be the solution?* Choosing level difficulty is for offline game, not for a MMORPG.

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With really usefull equipments...

[SirOleas]

personally the reason why "I" want difficulty settings, is because i hate when content becomes outdated. At a higher level(currently38) i would like to play upscaled old content for fun or/and xp. I would like to maybe challenge myself and go at it with a friend or 2. I like playing for fun, and hate doing the same stuff over and over, i like variety.

I was just defending the casual/low level players, because they have a right to play these contents too. It really baffles me why hardcore players care what someone else is doing with their play time, let them have fun. Who cares what theyre doing, why does it bother you?

players should have a right to play when, how, and what they wanna play in a game.


As a midcore player, this game is being ruined not by, casuals, but by players that define themselves through elitism.

There is not any dated content to be allowing selectable difficulty for. You are still too low to accomplish any of it is the problem.

Hard content is a right of passage. It is a way to define great players who have honed their skills and spent time leveling multiple classes in preparation for difficult encounters. "Elite" players who have put in the -time- and -effort- will see this content defeated long before someone who has not accomplished level 50 on a single class yet. As I said in my last post, this content is to motivate people like yourself to reach level cap to experience the content.

In stead, people come to these forums and complain endlessly about how it's too hard, or how it takes too long for them to reach the content that they desire to play. And that they should ignore their high level players who seek a challenge in favor of people who can't be bothered to even reach level cap, much less learn a battle once they are at said level cap.

It's not hard core "elite" players who are ruining this game and I am tired of hearing it. It's not casuals or "midcores" ruining the game either. In fact, the game has improved due to ALL of us as a community. We balance each other out fairly well even if most people don't realize it.

This game has flopped because SE made mistakes in it's development and rushed it out the door. Not anyone who plays the game. As a community we need to quit placing blame on the players and their play styles as the root cause of why this game is not as successful as we all hoped.

Unfortunately for you, you chose to blame other "elite" players for this game's current issues so the majority of your ideas are flawed with a bias.

As for everyone having a right to play content that is offered in XIV: They sure do and they always will but they need to reach the correct level to unlock said content.

There is not a single game on the market that will let you skip to the end without playing through the entire game. Why should this be any different?

[Engineer]

Close.



Some rides have height requirements.
Some rides have age requirements.
Some games require more skill than others.

Last time I checked, there was no such requirement on ffxiv.

There is not any dated content to be allowing selectable difficulty for. You are still too low to accomplish any of it is the problem.

Hard content is a right of passage. It is a way to define great players who have honed their skills and spent time leveling multiple classes in preparation for difficult encounters. "Elite" players who have put in the -time- and -effort- will see this content defeated long before someone who has not accomplished level 50 on a single class yet. As I said in my last post, this content is to motivate people like yourself to reach level cap to experience the content.

In stead, people come to these forums and complain endlessly about how it's too hard, or how it takes too long for them to reach the content that they desire to play. And that they should ignore their high level players who seek a challenge in favor of people who can't be bothered to even reach level cap, much less learn a battle once they are at said level cap.

It's not hard core "elite" players who are ruining this game and I am tired of hearing it. It's not casuals or "midcores" ruining the game either. In fact, the game has improved due to ALL of us as a community. We balance each other out fairly well even if most people don't realize it.

This game has flopped because SE made mistakes in it's development and rushed it out the door. Not anyone who plays the game. As a community we need to quit placing blame on the players and their play styles as the root cause of why this game is not as successful as we all hoped.

Unfortunately for you, you chose to blame other "elite" players for this game's current issues so the majority of your ideas are flawed with a bias.

As for everyone having a right to play content that is offered in XIV: They sure do and they always will but they need to reach the correct level to unlock said content.

There is not a single game on the market that will let you skip to the end without playing through the entire game. Why should this be any different?

I'm not trying to take anything away from the the high level players, and nothing would be taken away since your very hard content will still be there with your awesome drops. Just by making low level dungeons have a harder difficulty, and higher level dungeons have a lower difficulty will increase the fun factor for the game. XIV will be a lot more accessible making all dungeon playable just with a few friends instead of an 8 man party.

like when totorak first came out, I didn't want to go in with 4 players, I just want to go in with a 2 friends. I knew I wasn't going to beat it, I just wanted to play it for fun, and get xp along the way.


Everyone is not playing the game for the same reasons. Some want awesome gear drops, some want to have fun, and some want both. Why can't people enjoy the same content geared to all the factors?

Low level versions of the high dungeons wouldn't have the high level fancy gear drops, just normal drops.

High level versions of the low level would have high level mobs, so you would get normal drops from them.

Its just another place to enjoy the game and xp.

High level players would still have their bragging rights, because they finished the content on the max level, and got the gear to show for it.

So someone answer me this. WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT SOMEONE ELSE DOES IN THEIR PLAY TIME? WHY DO YOU CARE HOW THEY PLAY, AND WHAT THEY DO? WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU?

[SirOleas]

To answer your last question:

I think most people seem to care because to them an MMO is supposed to be an even playing field where play style/skill and understanding of the game's mechanics shines through.

Making easier versions of every encounter takes away from that in a way:
Why should you get to encounter Ifrit if you haven't put in the time/effort to unlock the encounter?
Simply because you're bored and don't want to level?
Drops are the main motivation for some (maybe even most) "hard core" players, but being able to experience the Ifrit battle is also it's very own reward for spending time leveling/questing etc. People who have not (or refuse) to level and become stronger need not face such a foe until they are worthy of the encounter.

Development Side:
Why should the developers (at this current stage in rebuilding the game) spend the extra time making multiple instances of the same encounter yet coded differently so that people who have not yet (or refuse) to reach level cap when they could (and are) focused on making a better FFXIV period?

Keeping in mind the content in the game currently is really just to satisfy most players while they rebuild the game.

Low/Mid level content:
Totorak
Public dungeon

High level content:
Darkhold
Ifrit

My memory is not perfect but it seems pretty even in terms of content added for low/mid vs high level players since the development team changes.

[Synthesis]

I dont agree with any ideas that you mentioned.

[SirOleas]

I dont agree with any ideas that you mentioned.

Who is "you"?

[Felis]

I think each dungeon should have customizable difficulty settings. This way content will never be outdated, and payers should have things to do no matter what level.

OPTION 1

The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak. (easy) lv 10+ (normal) lv 25+ (hard) lv 40+

We have already something like this
(easy) lv40+ (normal) lv25+ (hard) lv25+ with 2 member party

[XStruckX]

Ooh, yeah, I'd love to see not only Level Sync, but Level Caps. Like in XI - low level content remains challenging, and there's actually a reason to hang onto old gear.

OMG PLEASE NO LEVEL SYNC AND ESPECIALLY NO LEVEL CAPS!

Worst thing ever is hanging on to lower level gear cluttering up space so you can do stuff that limits your level. Whats worse is completing it yourself and having friends ask you to help which you respond by saying "Sorry no gear" or having to actually go buy some gear on the fly so you dont look selfish. Level Sync produced bad players in 11. Underskilled and only having killed worms for 30-40 levels.

I for one like it the way it is. There is level 15 dungeon in limsa now that I explored on my 50. Its a nice dungeon with good amount of mobs and decent loot. It even has a cool looking boss type. There is Toto-Rak that also has a good set of loot for low level jobs and it only requires 2 people to go in. You can go in as a 50 and destroy everything and help others get loot.

Then you got Darkhold and Ifrit which is reserved for the higher levels. Like a reward for reaching 50 you get access to more content. Ugh I think I lost my train of thought...