Healing in PVP is one of the worst experiences in this game

[Azurymber]

When original wolves den came out healing was pretty fun.
Before quick-chat healing was pretty fun.
Up until shatter, healing was pretty fun in frontlines.

But now shatter is basically just a deathmatch of people splitting up and not listening, making decent healing nearly impossible in about half of the matches (especially on Maelstrom)

And The Feast is just angry DPS or tanks who split up or run out of line of sight, and spam anytime they die.
More importantly, the limited number of skills a healer now gets, makes it impossible to carry a bad party (as we could in the past).

There's a reason why there are so few healers in frontlines.
And why healer is insta-queue for feast 95% of the time (the other 5% is probably waiting on another healer)

PVP either needs a serious re-balance, or healers need some special rewards.

Frontlines needs a new "seal rock" (which required coordination of objectives, so that people were usually in the same spot) or similar game mode that isn't so reliant on hitting things (which seems to be all dps want to do half the time)

And the feast either needs rebalancing, actual ability to communicate with each other (no quick chat), or a limitation on the number of times you can spam "nice job" or "good game" as that's become the new shit-talking anytime someone dies.

[Blanchimont]

I would rate healers in a dungeon as a far worst experience with the wall to wall pulls. It's just spam heal until its over. If you're lucky, you might get to cast a DoT. At least PvP feels healers can take on a more active role.

At least in PvP, classes are all balanced around a certain style, but like normal queues, there is a severe shortage of healers and tanks, which is why healers have fast queues.

[Arthur_Gwen]

Instant queue can be seen as special rewards

[KfLeX]

I would heal if they had special rewards, but seriously you don't won't me to heal haha.

[Theodric]

It's unfortunate that there's now so much pressure and reliance upon healers now, especially in 4vs4. Not only do they need very fast reflexes and great situational awareness to be effective it's very easy for anything other than a healer to melt when under focused attack. Survival tools for non healers are now very minimal. Many matches seem to come down to which team has the better healer rather than which team did better overall.

[Elfidan]

I wish people stayed together based on parties in shatter. I won't be sad to see that mode go.

[Koltik]

More importantly, the limited number of skills a healer now gets, makes it impossible to carry a bad party (as we could in the past).

What alternate reality are you living in? The rank 1 for Feast on 4/6 DC's are all healers. Healers can carry more than any other class.

Regarding queues, this has nothing to do with new changes. Healers and tanks have always been the least queued classes for both PvP and PvE.

[Azurymber]

What alternate reality are you living in? The rank 1 for Feast on 4/6 DC's are all healers. Healers can carry more than any other class.

Regarding queues, this has nothing to do with new changes. Healers and tanks have always been the least queued classes for both PvP and PvE.

The rank 1 for healers is probably due to insta-queues as opposed to 10min+ queues, not due to carrying.
And while I'm sure a good healer will make a difference when playing with skilled people, there's not much you can do as a healer when a DPS keeps running into the enemy and insta-dying.

No chat = no way to tell people to stay close and not split up
And lack of abilities = no way to carry people who are -bad- (I guess bad is the key).

At least in the old pvp, if you had one bad DPS, the other DPS could burst-kill and you could still win. Now you either need the other party to have a terrible healer, or you need ppl working together.

[Cynric]

Honestly there's two sides to this train of thought. Currently in 4v4 the game is very healer reliant. It does matter more if you have a good healer than if you have a good anything else that isn't a tank.

However the over-dependence on healers means that if you die, or you can not keep up with the damage going out, the game is lost. Healers currently while yes the best carry can not deal with overly split damage. In my experience people simply do not have the reflexes to; heal before/after silences, heal multiple targets taking full burst rotations/limit breaks, while healing themselves and trying to run away.

Healers also run away from the team far far too often, melee can't push if you don't try, the ranged are gonna try to hang by you, if the enemy retreats and you're down.

the healers need to go forward or no one can. Far too often have I seen Fall Back! when the enemy team is retreating and you're down on medals with 1 minute left on the timer.

Tl;DR : while healer may be the best way to carry, the reflexes and situational awareness required are a bit high . But your chances of losing with a bad / bronze healer are way way higher than if you have a bronze /bad DPS. That's why its better to heal, to take the bad healer out of the equation. But if you yourself are not a great healer. (healing on controller is honestly a pain for me)

Then going in as a healer is no different than having a random bad one anyway.

Also there's no quick chat function that says "I'm CC'd" so unless people have you focus targetted, or are looking at the party list every now and then, no one has any way at all to know.

[Koltik]

The rank 1 for healers is probably due to insta-queues as opposed to 10min+ queues, not due to carrying.

No, it is due to them carrying their team. They all have 70% win rate, with most having 78%+. Healers can carry better than any other class, period.