Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Miste]

If this is all true, it sounds like you had a bot for a healer using a script that did exactly what you said. Bene 1 if tank get below 90%, other than that keep up asp.ben suring battles. It is much harder to script movement out of AoE telegraphs (not even sure it is possible) so that totally sounds like a bot.

I only gave two examples of that healer's behavior. Their playstyle was not static for the whole run so it wasn't a bot. They almost never used cards, but once in awhile they would remember and use it...

After they got hit by the magitek cannon they didn't even react for 10 seconds or so, a bot would have healed itself much faster than that, but they dodged some of the floor telegraphs just fine earlier in the dungeon. They were just watching a movie or barely paying attention for sure by the time we beat first boss.

Also that dungeon is not possible with a healer bot that is that slow at reacting that it cannot even dodge a circle aoe or even heal itself right away when it takes more than half its health in damage...due to the bosses. We would have wiped on the first boss there are many things to dodge and second boss has towers you need to stand in and stack markers which this healer did attempt to do. I mean if the healer is a bot then they would for sure have died which will cause a full wipe eventually as we slowly die without any heals.

Also they chatted some with one of the DPS, it wasn't a bot, nor would you ever be able to clear a dungeon with a bot that bad even if it was one.

This isn't my only encounter recently either if you want more examples that this kind of thing happens. I had a level 70 WHM healer in ARF that just spammed Cure I on me over and over even if I had no HP gone, but they weren't a bot because their playstyle was not static, sometimes they would stop curing me and sit there for awhile at full MP and do nothing then go back to Cure I spam and use Medica II once in awhile even though everyone's HP was full. They also did mechanics in the boss fights like the missile the second boss does...no bot would be able to do that.

I think you are unfortunately wishing that a healer this lacking didn't exist and it would make more sense to call them a bot because naturally you would hope no one could possibly be that noncontributing when they are level 70 and has some omega gear and should know the game decently well by then, but they do exist and I've seen it often enough to make me not want to DF on anything but myself on healer.

So an AST who used cards maybe 3 times the entire 20 mins, only used Benefic I and Asp. Benefic out of his entire toolkit and a WHM who only used Cure I and Medica II out of their entire toolkit. Both level 70 with i300-i320 gear and one being a mentor as well. They used like 5% of their toolkits.

I mean if I compared this to my WAR it means I would only have to use Overpower enough to hold hate then use idk..Rampart then I get to sit there and watch a movie until the DPS kill the mobs for me. DPS isn't my job right.

A Healer who is out of MP, though, is dead weight to the group and will likely cause a wipe if the mob/boss doesn't die or someone/something gives the healer some MP.

Therefore, it is better that the healer not waste MP when it is not necessary. DPS is icing on the cake for a healer; not their primary duty.

You should not be running out of MP on any healer for any content outside of savage unless people are dying left, right, and center....but if those people are dying due to their own mistakes then that isn't your fault anyway.

No one expects you to DPS if there is a lot of healing needed because people are failing mechanics and dying and you are forced to scrape people off the floor and lacking MP due to all of that extra healing and raising...otherwise you should definitely not be running out of MP.

I mean MP isn't even really an argument you can make, because none of us would want a healer to DPS so hard they run out of MP and can no longer heal. You aren't going to run out of MP just contributing some DPS spells here and there. If you somehow do then there is a seriously bad underlying problem with how you manage your MP and MP recovery abilities or there is something wrong in the group like people failing mechanics/dying like I mentioned above, but again if people are dying no one cares if you aren't DPSing.

[Maeka]

-snipped stuff about running out of MP-

I take it you've never had an undergeared tank mashing the Sprint button to round up mobs while also in a group with "meh" DPS?

Cure2 spam will run you dry even with Lucid, Assize, Benediction, and Tetra. I've never been run to absolutely zero before, but I have come close at 25% left after a pull because the tank needed every single GCD on Cure 2 just to stay alive and even then, I was falling behind and had to use Tetra/Bene to keep him alive.

It was so bad, that Regen was impossible because he would have been dead before I could Cure2 him afterwards and I didn't want to blow a Tetra/Bene because of how fast he was going down.

This is WITH using Lucid, and again I ended that pull at 25%.

So yes. Tanks overpulling while undergeared = TEH SUCK. It's worse when the DPS are "meh" then the whole thing just takes too long.

[Miste]

I take it you've never had an undergeared tank mashing the Sprint button to round up mobs while also in a group with "meh" DPS?.

Yeah, I have.

I've had those situations happen to me yet I still never fully run out of MP...especially on WHM. Largesse + Thin Air + Lucid Dreaming is godly. You ended at 25% MP which means your group had issues. 25% is pretty low and while you still had enough MP by the end to have tossed some DPS if you had time... it wouldn't be recommended in that situation. No one expects you to DPS with a tank and dps that bad nor would it be easy to calculate if you had MP to spare.

This falls under group failure as I mentioned in my post about MP. If people are failing something like tank not using cooldowns, undergeared, too squishy, and DPS failing to DPS properly then MP may be an issue, but it isn't your fault and if MP is an issue obviously due to your group then you don't need to DPS. I simply blanket termed everything to general failure of mechanics which if the tank doesn't mitigate damage they are technically failing mechanics.

I basically said in my post that under normal group performance you should not be running out of MP on any healer. This situation you posted is not normal group performance and it definitely would not be your fault for lacking MP nor would you be blamed for not DPSing by anyone who understands healers.

That's all I meant. Under normal performance you cannot use MP as a reason to not DPS. It makes no sense because our MP pools are really large and we have many things to conserve MP and gain it back. We only run out if our group is failing to play at least somewhat properly and that isn't the healer's fault and if you cannot DPS due to your group failing at something then that isn't your fault either.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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When do you use Lucid Dreaming? The moment your MP dips below 85-90%, Lucid should be on cooldown. This way you will get it back again either before the current pull ends or for the subsequent one. White Mage, of all healing jobs, never runs dry with proper management. You may also be using Bene too quickly or they aren't using CDs. In the case of the latter, it's a tank issue not a healer one. People here don't expect you to DPS if you're covering for other people being morons. We specifically refer to healers who make very little effort (or none at all) to DPS even when they have ample opportunity.

You are right. I don't join Party Finder groups. But that was not my point. My point was to try to explain why some players refuse to minmax/optimize/heal'dps. The core of the issue is he same as why there are so few tanks and healers out there. Healers try to dps and cause a wipe by inexperience ? They get insulted or kicked, or cause a party to disband in case of PF. Tanks try to get better at stance-dancing and cause a wipe. Guess what happens next ?

I have only ever been called out once for DPSing and the person, themselves, wasn't a good healer. Every other instance I've made mistakes, I apologize and we shrug it off. People are generally willing to accept errors if everyone puts forth an effort. Your feelings being hurt one time isn't an excuse to stop playing the job properly. That's just someone looking for a reason not to play better; i.e. an excuse.