Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Miste]

I'm not having fun if I'm stressing over squeaking out every single drop of DPS to the point my eyes are glued to the screen and I'm mashing the button to make sure I start casting that Stone IV the very millisecond it is castable again, not wanting to lose even 0.1s of casting time.

No one is asking for that...at least I know I just want to see some semblance of effort even if it isn't like a lot.

Mostly people are upset when a healer, for example, stands and stares at you for an entire pull because there is nothing to heal.

Like recently I did a Doma Castle on WAR and I had a max level mentor AST as my healer. (I was also level 70 max sync down so I didn't take a lot of damage really)

Not new, mentor status, max level already on multiple healer jobs and other roles.

I did single pulls because the DPS in the group was a bit slow (the lack of healer DPS and also one of the DPS maybe didn't know their rotation that well...but everyone but the healer was actually putting effort)...so I pull the set of three mobs and this AST uses Asp. Benefic regen on me and sits there and stares at me and does absolutely nothing for most of the pull. My HP finally dropped to 90% so they healed me with a Benefic I then went back to staring doing nothing for the next 2 minutes until the mobs finally died.

Do the next pull, 4 mobs this time before second boss. Same thing healer uses Asp. Benefic on me and sits there and stares doing nothing for the next minute while I am mitigating a lot of damage with my cooldowns and keeping myself healed. My HP finally drops to 90% they use one Benefic I on me and use Asp. Benefic again then sit and stare for another minute.

They get targetted by a circle attack that the magitek guy uses and he didn't even attempt to dodge it he just kept staring doing nothing and gets hit then finally reacts 10 seconds later and heals himself. I mean he was probably just watching a movie while the rest of his team does 95% the work.

I mean as a tank is it okay if I just use overpower 3-4 times and then sit there and do nothing except use mitigation? I mean doing damage isn't my job right? I can easily hold hate after a couple overpowers and then just sit there untarget the mobs and simply just tank and use cooldowns without bothering to use any weapon skills :/

[Mirateski]

I had a healer in susano ex yesterday who absolutely couldn't stand for anyone to be on less than 100% hp at any time, ever.

Which meant that right at the beginning of the fight, they stood there for several gcds and used cure1 over my excog. They never even threw the insta cast dot out.

I did not get to do ANY HEALING. AT ALL. in that fight. The only time they weren't obsessively curespamming the tank was when they got stunned for lightning, at which point I just tossed an excog on the tank and kept dpsing (It didn't even go off because as soon as they were unstunned they went right back to curespam).

I felt so... pointless. They had plenty of time to dps, and would have had even more if they'd used their full toolkit rather than just curespamming whenever the tank got tickled. I don't get why people are so allergic to dps...

I probably parsed quite well though, so I guess we have that.

[Maeka]

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The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

And there ARE times where standing still for a few seconds is beneficial, such as when something is almost dead and there's no real point in trying to squeeze that one last Stone IV in before it dies (which the DPS will probably have it dead before you even finish casting anyways), or when there's 2-3 mobs left but they all have 10% left... might as well just regenerate some MP. *shrug*

What I'm trying to say is just let the healer do his job, while you stick to doing your own job. Unless it is an egregious example of them standing still for 5+ seconds at a time between Cures, then just let them be. They might have a reason as to why they're idle.

[Madepossible]

As a tank myself i rather want to be healed with my pt, than a healer that goes full DPS and ignores its main job. If they can throw in some dots that's fine, but not necessary. Healers should never be forced to DPS if they aren't comfortable with it. When I'm on my scholar I do DPS and heal but that also depends on the skills of my party group and gear. Whatever bs OP is blanting, just ignore this and do whatever play style you prefer.

[technole]

The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

No one said anything about 100% healer DPS percentile, absolute every-GCD correct skill to be used. Effort to be active, which is blatantly obvious or not is learning to be optimal. Over time as a healer knows damage/mechanical patterns like in Susano Ex, they are able to push more globals to heal less or do more damage. People just want to see effort, not stand-around and be a heal bot, that's not asking for perfection nor is it expected.

[HoodRat]

I'm beginning to wonder if people are even reading what the OP said or if they're just joining to spout some nonsense in an effort to protect healers from the "horror" that is dpsing. OP is talking about healers who stand idle for extended periods of time and yet we keep getting people saying things like

As a tank myself i rather want to be healed with my pt, than a healer that goes full DPS and ignores its main job.

which has absolutely nothing to do with OP's argument whatsoever. And people wonder why these threads never disappear.

[Maku]

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If this is all true, it sounds like you had a bot for a healer using a script that did exactly what you said. Bene 1 if tank get below 90%, other than that keep up asp.ben suring battles. It is much harder to script movement out of AoE telegraphs (not even sure it is possible) so that totally sounds like a bot.

[Taika]

If this is all true, it sounds like you had a bot for a healer using a script that did exactly what you said. Bene 1 if tank get below 90%, other than that keep up asp.ben suring battles. It is much harder to script movement out of AoE telegraphs (not even sure it is possible) so that totally sounds like a bot.

If only so many real healers wouldn't play exactly like that.

[Taika]

The problem is, though, is that they talk like they very much DO expect utter perfection, regardless of whether or not they actually mean it.

Can you show me some examples of the posts that clearly ask for utter perfection from healer players? A while ago someone was claiming the same and then I went through a couple of latest healer DPS threads and picked some examples of how the comments did not seem to reflect an expectation for perfection but instead, like I've said, expectation for making an effort:

As for the rest of these posts, the point is that people want to see EFFORT. Nobody's expecting big dicl numbers, especially out of DF of all things. However, you're generally supposed to ASK for a sherpa instead of being lazy and trying to get a free carry.

There's also a thing called context. If you're brand new to an instance, nobody's gonna be mad at you for trying to feel it out. Even if you end up the worst at your role, most will forgive if it looks like you tried. I think that's all anyone's asking

That's the only thing reasonable people are asking, if during an entire fight you need to heal then no problem you don't have the time to do damage but if you only need to heal during 50% of the fight you should do something (not nothing) during the other 50%.

We are not expecting you to contribute the most damage output, nor ask you to abandon your primary role. When there is a wide time-frame in which no healing is needed, instead of reading about Toenail Fungus, or watching the latest episode of Log Horizon, or etc., why not throw in a few skills. . . at least some dots to help things along?

General rule of thumb: you don't have to be a pro MLG high DPS healer for people to be happy with your performance, so long as you have some awareness of when your party is taking damage and when you have downtime. You should learn your toolkit and find the skills which give you downtime (regen, aspects benefic, rouse), and at least weave in some sort of DPS just so you aren't idling, because it's the idling that people notice, not your damage numbers

When we are talking about dps on healer, we're not expecting everyone to do 1000 dps.
If every healer just use dots, the very least, it would be enough to stop yelling at those who "don't want to dps because blabla".

What people are asking for:

- Heal when healing is necessary. If your party is taking too much damage it is okay to not DPS.
- If you find yourself standing around, throw some dots on, cast a few damage skills.
- Use your time wisely. If you aren't comfortable with the dungeon no one is going to get on you, but if you can contribute please do.

[cgbspender]

Please open up the party finder, and tell me you don't see :

"Skip mechanics or kick"
"High DPS or kick"
"Healer DPS or kick."
"Know the fight perfectly"
"2 mistakes --> kick"
"One mistake, disband!"
"No bad please"

All these, I can see just now, just by a quick glance at the Party Finder. So yeah, nobody's expecting perfection, everybody's waiting for average players to join along, ikr.
They are even so exceptionnal, that most Susano Ex farm parties see enrage at 15-20%, these damn elites are so damn stronk. (even with Healers dps'ing, in case you were wondering)

Even FC recruitments or static recruitments are the same. I mean come on, no need to be hypocritical, you won't ever see a PF saying "Static X recruits an average player with an average understanding of his job", not even from the casual statics.

That puts a ton of stress on players - not just healers - there's no denying it, and it should be easily understandable that some healers refuse to dps because of it, just like some dps don't care about optimizing anymore, or tanks who improvise rotations along the way, because anyway, players that have expectations of you will always find something to blame you for.