4.05 and 4.06 Ninja potency changes

[wintercoat]

They should've added in a note that combo potency from position stays the same. Would've cleared up some of the confusion.

[Maero]

I never heard that Ninja was so far behind, what i had been hearing is how high damage plus utility Ninja brings

[Hellstorm]

I hate the argument that ninja has alot of utility because they have shadewalker and smokescreen as i don't feel that neither one of those are used in 90% of content unless tank messes up or dd dont use lucid dreaming With as many hate tool out there smokesreen nothing to drop a drg or sam for. Now they have trick attack but does that alone mean they should be bottem of the melee teir in dmg?

[Jonnycbad]

Chaos Thrust Combo potency increased from 220 to 230.
Potency when executed from a target's rear reduced from 150 to 140.

Who the hell executes an UNCOMBOED Chaos Thrust just willy-nilly from the rear?

[Shamox]

Who the hell executes an UNCOMBOED Chaos Thrust just willy-nilly from the rear?

Who knows.

[Hellstorm]

Well if they made the teir3 version near or greater then potency of tier 1 version at the rear of target and trick attack/litany about run out i could see how people whould hit the single instead of combo

[HoLoFoNo]

I hate the argument that ninja has alot of utility because they have shadewalker and smokescreen as i don't feel that neither one of those are used in 90% of content unless tank messes up or dd dont use lucid dreaming With as many hate tool out there smokesreen nothing to drop a drg or sam for. Now they have trick attack but does that alone mean they should be bottem of the melee teir in dmg?

Trick attack ALONE outweighs everything a DRG brings (including disembowel). With the potential gains from agro management, NIN is an absolute beast and the core of any party.

[Phileas]

I hate the argument that ninja has alot of utility because they have shadewalker and smokescreen as i don't feel that neither one of those are used in 90% of content unless tank messes up or dd dont use lucid dreaming With as many hate tool out there smokesreen nothing to drop a drg or sam for. Now they have trick attack but does that alone mean they should be bottem of the melee teir in dmg?

Trick attack alone is worth an automatic spot on raid groups...it is incredibly powerful and buffs the entire raids dps.

[ShaneDawn]

Think the Aeolian Edge nerf was to unincentivize doing 2 uncomboed AEs compared to a SE+GS prior to phase transition.

Previously:
SE + GS = 150p + 200p = 350p
AE + AE = 180p + 180p = 360p

Now:
SE + GS = 350p
AE + AE = 160p + 160p = 320p

As funny as it sounds, it used to be better to do 2 uncomboed Aeolin Edges compared to Spinning Edge + Gust slash prior to phase transition where you knew you could only get 2 more GCDs in. Although, AE base potency is still high enough to warrant using it over Spinning Edge if you know you can only get 1 more GCD in.

This wasn't a problem prior to GS getting nerfed from 220p to 200p, and now it's been addressed again.

[Aubreun]

My real concern here is the decrease of the non combo potency.
I'm always using it when I know the boss is going to jump or become untargetable if i'm not currently mid-combo because a raw AE have a better potency than everything else when not comboing (susano is a great example of when i'm using that when he pops up his sword).

I'm far from being the best ninja here but I dont really get the lasts few changes besides helping the lazy ones
At least, the class is still fun to play so...

who determine who is lazy? Should be glad of these changes its hard enough to play ninja due to aoe, mob moving out of range. Almost everything aborigines requires everything to happen perfect.