The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Those that want to coordinate and can behave are outnumbered by those that just say "Kill healer" and/or "Kill ranged" at the beginning, stays quiet for the majority of the match and then loses their shit when the healer doesn't happen to be as good the the opposing healer.

I rather have chat disabled than having to blacklist 1 or 2 people after every match. Not really inviting to have the chat log full of insults.

So, having to possibly blacklist 1 or 2 people who go too far or say too much holds more weight than an entire community and game mode having the ability to communicate and strategize in a competitive environment?

We're all adults here. Do we really need to be told to behave ourselves and mind our manners? Worse still, do we all need to pay for those that don't do so?

The chat ban is, and always has been a terrible idea that has done more harm than good to the Feast.

[OskarXCI]

So, having to possibly blacklist 1 or 2 people who go too far or say too much holds more weight

1 person on average after every match? Yes it is.

entire community and game mode having the ability to communicate and strategize in a competitive environment?

And the majority of this community is toxic and hostile towards anyone that doesn't live up their expectations. You really think they disabled the chat without any reason? They have the data and I take their word over anything else.

We're all adults here. Do we really need to be told to behave ourselves and mind our manners?

Define "we". And yes, some need to be told to behave themselves.

Worse still, do we all need to pay for those that don't do so?

Sadly, yes. As you said, it's a community.

[MixZ]

And the majority of this community is toxic and hostile towards anyone that doesn't live up their expectations. You really think they disabled the chat without any reason? They have the data and I take their word over anything else.

If anything I will give SE credit with holding the community as a whole responsible for their actions that lead to the restrictions placed on chat. Not many companies will do that now in the PC world. Even with the quick chat now, players still try to find ways to grieve one another with "Nice Job" spam and other ways to be an example.

[Korihu]

If anything I will give SE credit with holding the community as a whole responsible for their actions that lead to the restrictions placed on chat. Not many companies will do that now in the PC world. Even with the quick chat now, players still try to find ways to grieve one another with "Nice Job" spam and other ways to be an example.

The entire class got punished for the actions of 1 or 2 students? Because that's what happened. Why am I and a majority of the community being punished for the actions of a very small few? SE is quick and ruthless with harassment/toxicity reports in chat in the first place.

[MixZ]

The entire class got punished for the actions of 1 or 2 students? Because that's what happened. Why am I and a majority of the community being punished for the actions of a very small few? SE is quick and ruthless with harassment/toxicity reports in chat in the first place.

As Oskar said, they likely have the data to justify it and it is highly unlikely they will never share that data.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

As Oskar said, they likely have the data to justify it and it is highly unlikely they will never share that data.

Sorry, but when you put it like that, it really makes that data suspect.

When they first announced they were going to do this, they could've said "Based on data collected, X% of players have harrassed or been generally negative toward other player in the Feast, therefore we've decided to restrict the use of chat, and implement a quick chat system" and that would've been hard to dispute. But they didn't do that. They simply said it was going to happen, as if it had already been decided, and no amount of player feedback would affect that. Seriously, go back to the start of this and really take a look at what happened. Don't simply buy into the idea that it was justified due to internally collected data that we can/can't even verify might have actually been collected.

Nope but if it is hurting the community as a whole then restrictions would be put in place for the safety of others so that this behavior is not encouraged in the future. While there are a number of pages on this they also look at the data they have from the game that they have to take into consideration as that is also evidence to justify the decision. The community outweighs the individual concerns in this case as they try to figure out what is the proper means to resolve this issue of the pvp community being very toxic in this game. Before Stormblood, it seemed to me that it is a small community that didn't want to grow to keep it for themselves so they can be the big fish in a little pond and giving new players a hard time. SE naturally wants the pond to be a lake.

I was waiting for this, actually. So then, with the LARGER majority of the XIV community being more interested in PvE, and thus a larger representation of both good and bad players would be reasonable to assume, why then is chat not restricted for PvE? Aren't people toxic in dungeons and raids? Or even in towns? How about all those Novice Network complaints? Where are the restictions there? I can say that - at least within the Aether data center's PvP community - people were rather decent BECAUSE our numbers were small. Who wants to be that guy no one likes or wants to party with because he's just that toxic? Not only that, it's safe to say many want to win more than they want to verbally abuse others - and how helpful would it be to trash someone, then wind up on the same team again next match?

And as far as trying to play the small community card, the PvP community has ALWAYS wanted to grow. But popular misconceptions and - actually, I noted everything I'm about to say in the "Well done, SE" thread. Read my first post there to know why the PvP community was small. It DEFINITELY wasn't by choice. Not only that, but if this is so acceptable to be done to the PvP community simply because of its size, who's next? Raiders?

[MixZ]

Then that is the fault of the community manager of putting it out to the community in that way. Does that mean I have to blindly rage and not look at the situation from all corners and make a conclusion for myself? I have been in positions in my life that I have had to do similar things (not restricting chat in a game) but not put out the source to the public because of certain restrictions to them. That would just cause more drama and do more harm than good. I remember when they came out and it was pretty much the parent punishing the child. Having seen how toxic the community was during season 1 from my own personal experience I was not surprised that SE took this route. Was I surprised they did it? Yup. Are you telling me that most of the chat you've seen during that time was not toxic? Each individual player only has a small percent of view of the community.