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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    But anyways, this is the method I've been using:

    1). Comfort Zone
    2). Inner Quiet
    3). SH2
    4). Hasty Touch II x5
    5). Mend II
    6). Careful Synth II x2
    7). SH2
    8). Hasty Touch II x2
    9). Innovation
    10). Great Strides
    11). Brow/Blessing depending on CP stacks
    12). Careful Synth II
    Hmm... SH II and then HT II x5... so there's only 50 durab consumed, but then you immediately used Master's Mend II. Isn't that 10 durab wasted? Why not move one of the CS II up, so you consume 60 durab before using MM2? Also, the Innovation can be moved up one step so that it buffs the final Hasty Touch II as well. Btw, forget about Brow if you have IQ6 or above. You'd rather save up enough CP for a proper Blessing. The difference is amplified by the GS and Innov, so it's actually quite large. I modified your rotation a bit into the following:

    CZ
    IQ
    SH II
    HT II
    HT II
    HT II
    HT II
    HT II
    CS II
    MM2
    CS II
    SH II
    HT II
    Innov
    HT II
    GS
    Blessing
    CS II

    But then I realized it's an 80 durab item that you're making here. So after the MM2, the rotation has only consumed 50 durab. There's 30 durab that was untouched! If CP is an issue, I feel like you should use fewer HT II to buy an extra SH II. The result is the following:

    CZ
    IQ
    SH II
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT
    CS II
    MM2
    CS II
    SH II
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT II
    SH II
    Innov
    HT II
    GS
    Blessing
    CS II

    This rotation used exactly the same amt of CP as your original rotation, but it has potentially 3 more touches. Although HT has a lower chance of success than HT II, even if you gained 1 more touch than your original rotation, it'd have been worth it. If you can somehow have 18 more CP, either from food or from a Trick of Trade, you can then swap out the last HT II into Basic Touch, so that it's 100% secure.

    Actually, now that the rotation is lengthened, you can actually use a second CZ:

    CZ
    IQ
    SH II
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT
    CS II
    MM2
    CS II
    CZ
    SH II
    HT
    HT
    HT
    HT II
    SH II
    Innov
    HT II
    GS
    Blessing
    CS II

    After the second CZ, I can see that there are only 9 steps before the final Blessing, so there's still 8 CP unable to be retrieved back from the investment of second CZ. But even so, it's still a 6 CP gain. And if you're lucky enough to have even 1 Trick of Trade taken in your rotation, you will be able to have that 8 CP retrieved back. This increased your CP pool by another 14 CP, which you could potentially use for something... 14 CP + that one Trick of Trade = 34 CP gain. It can be a Standard Touch to replace the last HT II... Or if you somehow have 2 more CP, then you can split 36 CP into two for two Basic Touches to replace the HT II / HT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    --snip--
    I realized after I posted it... I don't know if that's what I actually did when I made the books earlier, or if I really did throw a CSII in there before Mending. And yes, I do suppose the Innovation could be moved up a step, now that you mention it. I think I thought of that once before, but I tend to forget about it.

    Either way, I've discovered that if only 1 HT2 fails, I can still get guaranteed 100% assuming I don't get an Excellent on the wrong step (and thus Poor lands on a Touch or Worse, Byregot's). But I suppose those are things to take into consideration when doing more difficult stuff, yes.

    As far as Brow/Blessing, I am indeed aware of the IQ6 line, that's why I wrote Brow/Blessing in my OP, because if I have IQ5, it'd be better to use Brow rather than Blessing, or if I somehow end up with <24CP then I guess Brow is the best I can do. But that usually doesn't happen, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    As far as Brow/Blessing, I am indeed aware of the IQ6 line, that's why I wrote Brow/Blessing in my OP, because if I have IQ5, it'd be better to use Brow rather than Blessing, or if I somehow end up with <24CP then I guess Brow is the best I can do. But that usually doesn't happen, though.
    Ah, I see. I didn't realize you could have IQ5... Ok, cool beans!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    Ah, I see. I didn't realize you could have IQ5... Ok, cool beans!
    Yeah, if HT2 fails twice, IIRC, it comes out to IQ5 at the end... so I keep both on my hotbar just in case, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    Yeah, if HT2 fails twice, IIRC, it comes out to IQ5 at the end... so I keep both on my hotbar just in case, lol.
    Oh Maeka... (I know I'm starting to be annoying, LOL!)... You said, in your original rotation, if even 1 HT II fails, you can still HQ it 100%. Your original rotation had only 7 touches... minus 1 is 6 touches, equal to IQ7. If even IQ7 can get you 100%, there's no point in using Hastys at all (see below):
    Left side is your original rotation. Middle is a rotation which used Waste Not instead of MM2. Right side is a variant of the same rotation.

    The use of Master's Mend II would not have been necessary. Instead, you can just spent 56 CP on WN, and put all that remaining CP into Basic Touches to make everything 100% secure. You will still have sufficient CP for an Innov-buffed Advanced Touch before your Blessing. Wouldn't that be even better?
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