Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[YanderePrincess]

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Keep up with your asinine assumptions and complete illiteracy. I went over all of the tools SCH has in my analysis. I didn't ignore any of them. And I know how to optimize. SCH isn't worth the trouble required to make it a passable healer right now. Can it do the content and be effective? Yes. Every single job in the game can do the content and be effective at their role. That doesn't mean they're all in a good place, and SCH is *not* in a good place right now. If you want to continue to deny the truth just to believe that your job is perfectly fine rather than accept that it has some serious problems, that's your call; but quit going around spreading misinformation.

I'm also not saying that there should be an exact copy of Cure II on SCH, but there's not enough compensation for the *lack* of Cure II and its efficiency on SCH. Not anymore.

[technole]

Keep up with your asinine assumptions and complete illiteracy. *snip*

That's a lot coming from someone who hasn't completed any Alexander or Deltascape Savage content in this game. Saying such to those who have actually cleared encounters as a healer.


Scholar is in a good spot since the 4.05 buffs. 500 potency to our most powerful oGCD AoE is almost too good, and free Aetherflow every 4 minutes, spamable AoE. For the first time since Astro has been introduced in the game all three healers are in a good spot, and it representative in the fact all three have good clear rates in Deltascape Savage.

I'm also not saying that there should be an exact copy of Cure II on SCH, but there's not enough compensation for the *lack* of Cure II and its efficiency on SCH. Not anymore.

SCH has never needed a "Cure II". We have Adlo, oGCDs for days with Excog and Lustrate. Along with Embrace for top-ups. You are supposed to Adlo tank busters (and in savage these are usually tanks without tank stance on) and let the regens take care of everything else. If you are playing top-up healer with always manual GCD healing on SCH, you are playing the job wrong.

[YanderePrincess]

To be honest, I do not use Physick in raid (O1S-O4S) anymore on SCH. Although Physick is SCH's most MP efficient GCD healing spell, you are better off casting Broil. Emergency Tactics, Indom, Excog, Lustrate, Fairy, Whispering Dawn, Sacred Soil, etc. are much better to use for healing. If something requires a SCH to stop dealing damage, SCH will not be using Physick unless for solo healing.

Raids are also a bit different, since you have a second healer.

[YanderePrincess]

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You're making more assumptions as well. First off, I never said SCH needs a Cure II. They do, however, need adequate compensation for not having a Cure II. They used to have that. Now, they don't.

They're definitely better off 68-70 than 65-67, but they need a bit more. They are definitely a more difficult class to play than WHM and require significantly more effort to optimize, but they don't gain any benefit over whm by being optimized. A higher skill ceiling should bring with it a higher benefit, not slightly less benefit than the lower skill ceiling job.

Oh, and OGCDs for days? You get 3 every 45 seconds. WHM can do 4 if you count Divine Benison which gives a nice shield, as well as another one that's every 72 seconds and then Bene once every 3 minutes.

[Dregenfox]

Keep up with your asinine assumptions and complete illiteracy. I went over all of the tools SCH has in my analysis. I didn't ignore any of them. And I know how to optimize. SCH isn't worth the trouble required to make it a passable healer right now. Can it do the content and be effective? Yes. Every single job in the game can do the content and be effective at their role. That doesn't mean they're all in a good place, and SCH is *not* in a good place right now. If you want to continue to deny the truth just to believe that your job is perfectly fine rather than accept that it has some serious problems, that's your call; but quit going around spreading misinformation.

I'm also not saying that there should be an exact copy of Cure II on SCH, but there's not enough compensation for the *lack* of Cure II and its efficiency on SCH. Not anymore.

On the flip side, I wouldn't take a trade of 100 pot + slightly less mana cost + no crit bonus in return for SCH's kit of faerie + triple AF stack healing. That 100 pot bonus pales in comparison to the free 2000 potency oGCD heals SCH gets in comparison. So I guess we have a difference of opinion here.

I wouldn't trade Bene for dissipation either. Dissipation is 2400 potency (1800 lustrate + 15s AF) + 20% healing bonus. That healing bonus alone makes adlo 720 and physick 480, which is superior to WHM.

What do you get with benediction? A ton of overheal, and maybe a 1500 pot heal on a single target, at best, unless you combo it with living dead (which is it's only saving grace).

WHM's best role isn't single target healing. It's AOE HPS/efficiency. You can't expect to be as efficient as a SCH in single target when all of a SCH's skills are optimized for single target efficiency.

[lulunami]

Used to think SCH got worse and after reading some of the latest comments found out im probably just not using my toolkit to its full potential. Need to give this another try...

Physick is inferior to WHM Cure. Non-crit Adlo is inferior to AST Aspected Benefic. Succor is inferior to AST Aspected Helios. Fairy got nerfed a bit too.

So what do you have to do on SCH now? Reduce your usage of Physick, Adlo, and Succor. You will run out of MP trying to use Adlo and Succor liberally.

SCH's strength lies solely in its Abilities. You get a full stack of Aetherflow every 45 seconds, so you will always have something you can do. Take advantage of what Eos can do and use all of her buffs and abilities.

Take advantage of Indom as much as possible. Think of Indom as a flexible, more frequently used Earthly Star. Emergency Tactics > Swiftcast > Succor is not too shabby to pair with Indom as well.

[Spiroglyph]

@Lulunami: Thanks a lot reading through these latest comments kinda makes it seem like I was really trying to use SCH like I would an AST, which is what I've been playing with as of lately. Was also very reluctant to use dissipation, so it puts a hamper on ability usage as well.

Those are some pretty cool things to try and use though, so thanks for sharing!

[YanderePrincess]

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SCH should be better at single target healing than whm, since whm is so much superior at aoe healing. The problem is that right now, SCH *isn't* superior to WHM for single target healing and is still weaker on aoe healing, too.

[technole]

You're making more assumptions as well. First off, I never said SCH needs a Cure II. They do, however, need adequate compensation for not having a Cure II. They used to have that. Now, they don't.
They're definitely better off 68-70 than 65-67, but they need a bit more. They are definitely a more difficult class to play than WHM and require significantly more effort to optimize, but they don't gain any benefit over whm by being optimized. A higher skill ceiling should bring with it a higher benefit, not slightly less benefit than the lower skill ceiling job.

Oh, and OGCDs for days? You get 3 every 45 seconds. WHM can do 4 if you count Divine Benison which gives a nice shield, as well as another one that's every 72 seconds and then Bene once every 3 minutes.

WHM Benison requires gaining a lily and that means manually healing damage with Cure/Cure II to proc, and it also burns all your lilies regardless.

Dungeon-wise leveling at 65-68 is fine on SCH and it was the first job I leveled in SB during EA. Getting better healer gear beyond i270 is just as important at these levels as it is for a tank, as the treadmill stat gain at 65+ is very large.

Excog is immensely useful, and should always be used when big damage is coming, even at <50% HP for the enhanced heal. Smart Lustrate use only if someone is in dire health, not burning them for top-ups or just to make one feel better about the HP bar. One or two Adlos on mega pulls to help make tank cooldowns more potent or when one isn't up, while going back to cleric stance damage. Indom is the best AoE heal the job has, and should be used whenever possible for the situation. All the while building the fairy gauge at later levels, because Fey Union is immensely powerful for the hardest dungeon pulls in the game.

Like others have eluded, SCH is the oGCD king of healers. There is an instant button for every situation, and Eos Embrace is still as-good for single target healing.

But you can't be spamming Adlo/Succor on the job, and use of Physick should be limited as much as possible to where you are not using it normally. To the point where it has to be a button you had to reach to grab because the pull is that insane for anyone to handle.

[NobleWinter]

The correct way to play a lev 70 Scholar is with AF abilities and Fairy usage but this is TERRIBLE character design! Lustrate is a level 50 skill and a core healing mechanic. Indom doesn't happen until level 52 with Dissipation and Excog happening at 60 and 62 respectively but you train yourself to be a terrible Scholar because you ONLY have access to Physick then Adlo and then Succor until level 50. The play style takes this drastic shift from GCD skills to oGCD skills for later content. Its no wonder why there are so many terrible Scholars. WHM has all its key healing abilities(Medica1/2; Cure1/2; Regen) at extremely low levels and only builds upon them with situational abilities afterward that add speed and efficiency. SCH must completely rethink the way they play by being giving a toolkit that changes drastically at level 50 and again with every healing ability learned afterward. I think the skill curve required for this is being vastly under estimated.