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  1. #31
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    People talking about magic debuffs kinda forgeting that not one brings more than single caster per raid raid now. Why would they, it just makes gearing much harder with zero benefits.
    In current raid setpus both ninja and bard have guarantee raid spot period, then you usually single spot for caster and single for another melee. Then the question is why realistically would you prefer blm over rdm, when the last synergies with entire dps team and brings insta res as absolute top level utility. Blm deals slightly more damage, yeah sure, look at all these people who care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwaeron89 View Post
    People talking about magic debuffs kinda forgeting that not one brings more than single caster per raid raid now. Why would they, it just makes gearing much harder with zero benefits.
    In current raid setpus both ninja and bard have guarantee raid spot period, then you usually single spot for caster and single for another melee. Then the question is why realistically would you prefer blm over rdm, when the last synergies with entire dps team and brings insta res as absolute top level utility. Blm deals slightly more damage, yeah sure, look at all these people who care.
    yes.., thats why blm (and smn) stil need a slight potency buff...
    (blm no utility but overall still behind sam and mnk, instead if being on par with sam)

    or give blm a magical debuff/buff (like t3 dots give a magic vulnerability), .. to allow a possible meta with 3 (or 2) casters in it... , besides the usual melee/physical meta
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  3. #33
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    Triplecast Raise go!
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Give blm raise and nerf their damage by 10% and you can know how summoner feel right now. Make it cost all mana and remove stacks as well so you need wait mana tick every time you raise. Deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Give blm raise and nerf their damage by 10% and you can know how summoner feel right now. Make it cost all mana and remove stacks as well so you need wait mana tick every time you raise. Deal?
    feel summoners..., they stil feel broken, don't great damage.. and the buffs the least usef/wanted....

    why do I do more damage when I each time (not only the opener) do ED/F/PF, to get DT up fast, instead of F/F/F (or F/ED/F or .... ) with a smn??
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  6. #36
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    Wrath of The Sorceror:
    Anytime a party member dies, BLM spells cost 10% less & casting speed increased by 15% for 10 seconds.

    Giving BLM raise doesn't make sense.

    I would even want that spell cost and cast speed to be more dramatic but idk by how much.

    When a party member dies, the Black Mage gains Wrath Of The Sorceror buff. Their eyes glow with fire or lightning, and they call out a spell incantation and the desire for revenge takes over.

    These specific in this scenario buffs could be applied to each job, special iconic circumstances that cannot be granted unless example A happens.
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    Last edited by Sandpark; 08-03-2017 at 11:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    so adding res to the only one that doesn't res wouldn't do anything to hurt the uniqueness of each job. For utility, rdm still has a cure and embolden buff to offset whatever personal dps loss it has compared to blm.
    if Blm in its current state would get a res even rdm would be losing its raid spot. not to mention that smn would move down even further in grp comps - if its possible at all. Blms can out dps Sams atm - why should they give them utilities?...
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  8. #38
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    Edwin Odesseiron
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    Except thats not how RDM works. They have insta res for free, its not counted into their mobility, dps or raid buffs. Why should it be penalized on blm or summoner then? Free battle res for everyone!
    But honestly they should just exclude battle res from rdm insta cast list. Being hard casted or casted via swiftcast is already good enough utility. I have feeling that's what they will do in 4.1.
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    Last edited by Gwaeron89; 08-03-2017 at 11:49 PM.

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    I'd prefer a magic vulnerability to a rez on BLM.
    Honestly, if people are dropping left and right that it would outright require every caster to need a rez to be relevant, there's a problem with the group.

    Before you know it, PLD will be begging for a rez skill as well.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I'd prefer a magic vulnerability to a rez on BLM.
    Honestly, if people are dropping left and right that it would outright require every caster to need a rez to be relevant, there's a problem with the group.

    Before you know it, PLD will be begging for a rez skill as well.
    The problem is you may have 2-3 dead bodies per fight with rdm as a caster and clear the boss if raid dps is high enough to cover 25% damage loss. Any other caster than rdm will result in wipe probably. And there's no way around it as it is now. Its just too damn good to not have.
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