I do not have a "Main" I want to gear all jobs, change weekly gatings?

[eschaton]

Yup your problem isn't the gating, it's wanting the highest available gear right now... Which a) is gated behind time and rng only because you don't need it and b) it's the highest available so you still want it! Basically it's an extra reward, so you keep going for the carrot.

They got you! Don't worry it's a very good trick, most people can't stop before they got it, it's like a red rag to a bull. Friendships have been lost over buddies winning 'your' rng loot.

Calm down, penta meld away and remember the highest ilevels are always completely optional. Very nice to have, for the short time they are the highest, but not worth getting mad over by a long shot. RNG and time-gating, baby!

Come here for a /pet

[Dzian]

If they didn't gate, then you would have the cutting-edge raiders complaining about there being no worthy content for them to do.

To be honest that doesn't really work at all. All it does is have players moaning more frequently if anything.

Tuesday reset. Do omega get my drops. That's it nothing to do till next week except a few experts.. gating content doesn't mean there's more worthy content for them to do. Not does it mean they spend less time with nothing to do. Because it takes them a couple of hours a week to do everything and the rest of week with nothing to do till reset.

[Skivvy]

Yep. I mentioned earlier, I did V1-3 Savage with half Verity gear. A smoother run though doesn't mean tomestones should be unlocked so you can bounce jobs at your leisure. That would just result in everyone having everything within a month ala Verity gear.

Gotta stop speaking in absolutes. Not everyone would max our gear in a month. There will always be people who max out all jobs/gear at an incredibly quick pace, but I imagine most people don't go that route.

Since all content can be done in Verity, which is uncapped, why bother having a cap on gear that is optional?

[WhiteArchmage]

I have a question for everyone supporting this concept of gating this game does (and contradicts itself of allowing you play more then 1 job)Why where you doing delta normal after the second week? the 320 gear is cheap, cheaper then I am willing to even craft for it (meaning not worth my time to do so)

I can answer that! Not everyone has the money to buy them all (in fact, the median FFXIV player, especially a casual is under 10mil, most of the casuals (in this context meaning not crafters/raiders) will average around 3mil (here in Faerie, each piece averages 750-800k, cheaper than other crafted gear has been, still not cheap for the regular player). The stats on the crafted gear may not be what I want, unless I use it for progression. I don't want to SPEND the money, since I'm saving up for a mansion. It may not be worth it if I'm getting the 340 from Savage AND it has the sub-stats I'm going for.

There are plenty of reasons, take your pick. There's nothing WRONG with using all crafted gear if that's what you want, but I think we've agreed you don't HAVE to do something if you don't want to.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Gotta stop speaking in absolutes. Not everyone would max our gear in a month. There will always be people who max out all jobs/gear at an incredibly quick pace, but I imagine most people don't go that route.

Since all content can be done in Verity, which is uncapped, why bother having a cap on gear that is optional?

That isn't absolutes. Verity is proof the moment you uncap tomestones, people will grind them. A month isn't an incredible pace either, hence why so many have Verity gear now. The cap exists for the reasons already stated; to keep people doing content. The devs want players like me to queue into roulettes 3-4 months from now when I normally wouldn't. They want me queuing into Leveling roulette so people aren't waiting, which I wouldn't do if I could grind tomestones earlier. Jumping ahead to 4.1, why are people going to run Ivalice multiple times when they already have equivalent or better gear? They aren't. Just like crafted gear and Omega normal, Ivalice would be dying content practically when it released since it's gear drops would be meaningless.

But what is wrong is the complete lack of empathy between them. Noone cares to look over the fence and see how the other side are doing. Those who do step out of line and play the devil's advocate are vilified. So these conversations always fail to reach compromise. Everyone is right, noone but them could possibly have a valid opinion... And the cycle continues... If we had good conversations where people respected others opinions we might be able to find something that we all can live with but why be productive? It's so much easier just to keep doing this...

Empathy for what? Your (generalizing) inability to have the best gear despite not raiding? Why should I care if you aren't putting forth the effort to make friends and cultivate the environment you wish to have? All I see here is an endlessly stream of excuses. I joined this game at the behest of a friend who quit shortly thereafter when she got fed up of RNG. For several months I basically played by myself until poking into FCs and meeting new people who I now keep in touch with regularly one year later. Likewise, my static formed from pugging Sophia EX and someone taking the initiative to make a linkshell so it were easier to contact people. What started as just randoms became a static that's lasted almost a year now. Nothing about that was clique-y nor do I post it to say I'm somehow luckier than most. I met these people because I put myself out there and kept in contact with those I liked. One of my friends now I met by sending a random tell to her after finding her search info funny.

You aren't going to get a better experience waiting around for it to happen.

[Deathgiver]

Would also like to point out that if you really wanted to gear up extra jobs to play with them you could create alts. Even a basic account allows you up to 8 characters.

[Eclipsed]

Empathy for what? Your (generalizing) inability to have the best gear despite not raiding? Why should I care if you aren't putting forth the effort to make friends and cultivate the environment you wish to have? All I see here is an endlessly stream of excuses. I joined this game at the behest of a friend who quit shortly thereafter when she got fed up of RNG. For several months I basically played by myself until poking into FCs and meeting new people who I now keep in touch with regularly one year later. Likewise, my static formed from pugging Sophia EX and someone taking the initiative to make a linkshell to make it easier to contact people. What started as just randoms became a static that's lasted almost a year now. Nothing about that was clique-y nor do I post it to say I'm somehow luckier than most. I met these people because I put myself out there and kept in contact with those I liked. One of my friends now I met by sending a random tell to her after finding her search info funny.

You aren't going to get a better experience waiting around for it to happen.

Duh? But get off your high horse for a moment and take a look around outside your castle you have built for yourself. It is a different world out there now. Personally I have all I need, I still have an FC and several LS'es of friends from 1.0. But that doesn't mean that I am so egotistical that I can't see that there are issues and that things could be better. That there are those that want something different or more.

[HyoMinPark]

You are stating why gating is not needed. You said yourself you only need above 290 if you do not salvage. But if you do salvage gating impacts you. So why gate if for most people it does not effect the game? for the people that want to salvage more then one job, why gate them from doing so? No one has yet proven why gating is a benefit. It only harms the game from it's own concept, being able to play any job on one character.

People who raid/do Savage content generally do so on a singular job: generally speaking, their favorite job or the job they are most comfortable with. This is especially true for people who are in statics, where you don't just play roulette with jobs/roles but have set roles for each member. I don't raid on BRD one week and then switch to AST the next week, and then plan to roll RDM the week after that. No, that's not how it generally works. When the lockouts are removed the next patch, then people start to run Savage raids on secondary jobs because they are free to do so, and are usually already geared up on their main anyways. People roll a singular job for Savage during lockout to be able to roll Need on the gear they want if it drops, and for comfort reasons.

I can still roll my other jobs even though only BRD has pieces of Creation/Genji gear. Literally nothing is stopping me from doing that, and nothing is stopping others from playing all the jobs as well. You do not need max ilvl on every job not even 2 months after an expansion was released to do the majority of content. I can even take RDM and AST into Savage, and they aren't as "geared" as my main. Nothing stops me from doing that other than the fact that my designated role in my static is BRD and I am far more comfortable/would rather run the fights on BRD for the time being.

Do you have all jobs to 70? Are you picking jobs out of a hat to do your weekly Savage runs?

[Clawbriar]

Semi-related; I'm still hoping one day they'll tack any uncollected tomestones onto the weekly cap. That is to say, you'll never be able to get more than 450 a 'week' still, but people can still play catch up if & whenever needed. While poopsocking is a genuine concern the devs have, the other side of the coin is if for whatever reason I miss a week or can't cap, I'm near permanently behind as far as Creation tomes go.

Really don't think that's unreasonable to ask for.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Duh? But get off your high horse for a moment and take a look around outside your castle you have built for yourself. It is a different world out there now. Personally I have all I need, I still have an FC and several LS'es of friends from 1.0. But that doesn't mean that I am so egotistical that I can't see that there are issues and that things could be better. That there are those that want something different or more.

What high horse? There is literally nothing stopping people from doing the same things I did. Instead of looking at how much better person xyz has it, how about cultivating that for yourself? That was the crux of my post, which you seemingly missed. Will it work out immediately. Nope. It didn't for me either. You just keep going and you'll eventually meet people you mesh with. You're the one trying to make it seem like there is a divide. You may have issues with progression, but I don't. That has nothing to do with my purported "castle." I simply don't cling to the notion you can only do content with the best gear.