Overheating should be capitalized, not ignored to make MCH fun

[RiceisNice]

QI must be in the minority, but I don't feel like heat generation by 5 instead of 10 impacts me all that much. If anything it feels less awkward for the most part, if only for the consistency of it, but again that's just me.

As for possible power creep, I wonder if perhaps that was factored into some of the decision making that led to the current state of MCH?

It feels less engaging to me because it's one less factor to even worry about as MCH, doubly so for AoEing (since pushing for overheat then is a damage gain, especially when you snapshot flamethrower). It should always be a factor for balancing in general.

If adjustments are needed, you're better off making small changes like value to see where it lands you. Change too much at a given time (readjusting potencies, readjusting buffs) can lead to a power increase that eclipses their peers (looking at you, AST and BRD) and now you either have to nerf the class, or buff their peers so they're all relative. The latter of course is going to cause an outcry, no one likes getting nerfed. The latter will cause current content to be undertuned, and future ones will have to take that into consideration and start escalating.

As far as the job mechanics are concern, they all lay out a good foundation that can be adjusted and expanded (except for MNK to a degree) by adjusting values such as durations, stacks, potency, etc etc. Giving hotshot a 3% buff is a way to increase MCH's overall damage without too many other factors getting in the way. Adjusting heat values means you're seeing less cooldowns, on top off affecting MCH's core gameplay around that. Something like giving Reassemble a lower cooldown, or increasing overall potency based on heat is hard to quantify on paper, and I doubt it's really addressing any QoL concerns either.

I was pointing out that they're still a ways off from that being a real danger.

I'm not saying a flat 50% damage increase to all abilities is the answer or something like that, but the class is the lowest performer in the game, below BRD even, which out-damages it as well as brings a whole PILE of better raid utility to the table.

They can be a BIT more aggressive than they were with the last change (which turned out to be a nerf).

Being aggressive is exactly how they managed to have very little (if any) net gain in performance. The heat changes are arguably unneeded, and it's caused a drop in damage output because you're getting less cooldowns because of it. And that's just speaking from a damage perspective, the already small group of MCH players is incredibly divided on how it's affected the playstyle, and seemed to have addressed the wrong concerns with heat (overly punishing for overheating improperly, rather than being too easy to overheat improperly, for example) If you start adding more and more changes, you'd need to take into consideration to how that spanner will interact in the gearworks, something I'm doubtful (given their trends) they can fit in a midpoint patch.

[Yhisa]

Truthfully just remove the entire heat gauge its an eyesore to manage and no one likes it

Why not make mechanic that focus upon the mech ammo scrap the entire overheat crap and have mch require ammo to even shoot their skills

I always got confused that we have reload and quick reload but do really need them to shoot our gun

But sigh i tried playing mech i love it but HATE the heat gauge

[Yhisa]

Ohhh just thinking about it just

Why not allow mech when he over heats the gauss barrel is shot at the target dealing damage and shatters into explosive fragments which have 10 stacks which explodes for 20% of the shot base damage,

so it acts like another wildfire but instead of trying to build up for a large explosive hit, it instead make each of ur shots deal explosive damage for 20% of the shot (clean ,slug,split only)

[Elnidfse]

Truthfully just remove the entire heat gauge its an eyesore to manage and no one likes it

Why not make mechanic that focus upon the mech ammo scrap the entire overheat crap and have mch require ammo to even shoot their skills

I always got confused that we have reload and quick reload but do really need them to shoot our gun

But sigh i tried playing mech i love it but HATE the heat gauge

The heat gauge exists to replace what we lost. If you remove that itself, then the job will become boring and binary. No weaving for OGCD's, no extra damage from optimization, no nothing. Just the same rotation from fight start to fight finish.

[Yhisa]

The heat gauge exists to replace what we lost. If you remove that itself, then the job will become boring and binary. No weaving for OGCD's, no extra damage from optimization, no nothing. Just the same rotation from fight start to fight finish.

Erm if u remove he heat u would auto weave ur ogcds anyway

The whole point of mech is around wildfire not some gimp ass monitor heat to ocassional use "cooldown " to reduce heat to line up with wildfire and RRR then throw barrel on just to get back to 50 heat again

Heat management is a god damn hinderence for the mech its not needed to play the job if u strip it away and increase all potency by 10% and give all heated shots at 64 u would not even miss the heatgauge

[Yhisa]

The heat is there just to give us heated shots and allow us to use cooldown.....and that is it

[Yhisa]

The heat gauge exists to replace what we lost. If you remove that itself, then the job will become boring and binary. No weaving for OGCD's, no extra damage from optimization, no nothing. Just the same rotation from fight start to fight finish.

Also its extreamly not fun to consently looking at the heat gauge and its boring to manage the heat

Sorry for multiple pf post on mobile

[RiceisNice]

Also its extreamly not fun to consently looking at the heat gauge and its boring to manage the heat

Sorry for multiple pf post on mobile

To be honest, it sounds like you want to turn MCH into BRD.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I can't remember what thread it was where people were discussing more ideas of what could be done with MCH to be more. . . Machinisty. But in an attempt to bring the ideas together, I definitely wouldn't mind more turret interaction, or better yet, use of generated heat to augment/utilize different actions or skills (idea just came to me, only in name, but "Heat Shield" perhaps?). This could return a little more complexity to the job in making players consider more than simply building up for Wildfires and having to consider spending/venting for specific purposes.

I'm at work, so the idea is a bit half formed. If anyone can pick it up and run with it, it's all yours.

[Elnidfse]

Erm if u remove he heat u would auto weave ur ogcds anyway

The whole point of mech is around wildfire not some gimp ass monitor heat to ocassional use "cooldown " to reduce heat to line up with wildfire and RRR then throw barrel on just to get back to 50 heat again

Heat management is a god damn hinderence for the mech its not needed to play the job if u strip it away and increase all potency by 10% and give all heated shots at 64 u would not even miss the heatgauge

Yes and wildfire as it was is gone. The point of MCH now is the heat gauge. We've lost our damaging OGCD's; no blank, no head graze, no damage increase CD's on different timers. You remove the heat gauge and just give it heated shots and the job becomes easy and boring. Well, easier and boring.

Heated shots are supposed to be a reward for doing a mechanic correctly, that mechanic being the juggling of heat. Asking to remove the heat gauge now is like asking for a BRD to lose their songs because it's a nuisance to look at the song gauge