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  1. #51
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    Kyrph's Avatar
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    Wolf Snow
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 80
    You shouldn't let nerfs dictate if you are going to play a class or not. For most content besides maybe high savage you can play anything and get through the content just fine. Just play what you enjoy and do your best to become skilled in that job.
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  2. #52
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    At the risk of repeating myself - we have miasma II now no cast time, so can weave in stuff for extra damage if you don't think there's any damage inc that would make you need to use AF stacks on healing. Weaving in ED also counters miasma II MP cost.

    And since it's a DOT, even if you need to stop DPSing to heal there will still be damage being dealt to mobs.

    I do however miss having a third bane-able dot
    They buffed the damage of Bio II and Miasma I thought, No? Not as strong to compensate for the loss of a third DoT but you also don't need to swap to clerics and you can Bane immediately without having to wait a sec for Bio1 to land fue to server ticks. Ruin and Broil were also buffed and SCH was given MND traits, which before we lacked. So we lost some but gained some.
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  3. #53
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    My only problem is we went from the healer who was the least likely to go OOM, to the most likely.

    Astros and White Mages can finish savage fights with full MP, while my scholar MP bar is constantly on life support. It's such a change lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    They buffed the damage of Bio II and Miasma I thought, No? Not as strong to compensate for the loss of a third DoT but you also don't need to swap to clerics and you can Bane immediately without having to wait a sec for Bio1 to land fue to server ticks. Ruin and Broil were also buffed and SCH was given MND traits, which before we lacked. So we lost some but gained some.
    Bio II and Miasma did not change at all.

    Also of note-Miasma II should never be used for single target. Broil II does more.
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  4. #54
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    Ogulbuk's Avatar
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    Atabey Guabancex
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    Behemoth
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Um, the recently buffed Quickened Aetherflow is perfectly fine, the question is why aren't you aggressively using stacks enough to trigger the -5s.
    Glad all you do is run level 70 dungeons.
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  5. #55
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    Lastelli's Avatar
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ogulbuk View Post
    At minimum, I would like Quickened Aetherflow to be available MUCH much earlier, that may at least give me more MP recovery tools and faster stacks when I need MP efficiency the most. A Scholar specific trait to reduce the cast of Shadow Flare drastically would be also highly appreciated.
    Even without quickened af, healing through dungeons while still doing dps as a sch is a piece of cake. To be honest I was forcing myself to use more ED and exco because I just didn't know what to do with all those af stacks.
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  6. #56
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 72
    I still think some SCHs haven't really adjusted to the idea that the job got away with practically the most minimal PIE build back in Creator Savage, it was avoided so much because it was once the MP battery job. Now it's a new expansion and you have to reset expectations that White Mage is the MP battery. If you hadn't adjusted to the idea that PIE is still your lifestone, that 10% Aetherflow is based off your max PIE, just like White Mage Assize.

    With that said. It doesn't matter where you play, even in Omega Savage you should be aggressive with stack use to keep Aetherflow constantly on cool down, if you are sitting on stacks too long no wonder why you are complaining. Lucid Dreaming is also not enough to keep up damage and healing full-time. Also. the fairy tether has some good spot uses so it's wise to keep utilization high enough to keep building the gauge. Getting around 19k+ MP is a nice spot to be in.

    The quick Aetherflow trait only improved SCH MP management, and rewards the players that actually play their stacks job aggressively. If you are too conservative, you won't see this benefit that much. What i mean by aggressive is you shouldn't be burning 3 stacks on Lustrates when possible, your job is get someone in safe HP range, Eos Embrace can finish the job. Use Excog on someone if they will benefit from the <50% heal immediately instead. That will save another Lustrate too. Aggressiveness with Energy Drain can be very important for economy, you know where damage is coming, and if it's your chance to get Aetherflow back on CD real soon, use it on ED. Be smart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ogulbuk View Post
    Glad all you do is run level 70 dungeons.
    I avoid expert roulette like the plague unless I get dragged-in. So many other ways to cap in this game now, no wonder why they are going down to one new dungeon every odd patch.
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    Last edited by technole; 07-31-2017 at 06:56 AM.

  7. #57
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    inhaledcorn's Avatar
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    Character
    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Bio II and Miasma did not change at all.

    Also of note-Miasma II should never be used for single target. Broil II does more.
    Not really. Miasma II is good for oGCD weaving or movement if you're on the boss if you can get the full tick since it does more than Ruin II.
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  8. #58
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Yep, Miasma II weaving and/or when you have melee uptime on the boss. Going to disengage soon too? Get those ticks up. Don't listen to anyone who says it's not good for single target. That is another set of ticks with your other two. This raid tier you have plenty of opportunities to take advantage of.
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  9. #59
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    Felix Feliday
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 70
    Would Miasma II be worth using up close over Broil because of the potential auto attack? Not sure if an extra book swing would be enough to make up 20 potency or not.
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  10. #60
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    Would Miasma II be worth using up close over Broil because of the potential auto attack? Not sure if an extra book swing would be enough to make up 20 potency or not.
    Its 30 difference. Sps also would shorten the gap, but literally using any ogcd ability, even lucid dreaming, would put you at a dps gain.

    If they would have made miasma II an aoe dot as it is now based on the targets location at twice the mp of broil instead of 2.5 times, the skill would have flawlessly replaced the function of both aero and blizzard II, while doing it better.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 08-01-2017 at 06:22 AM.

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