Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[Lastelli]

SCH's raid healing seems to be back on track now, but IMO SCH went from being the subtle champ of 4 man content to being rather underwhelming now =(

WHM was better in dungeons in hw too if we're going to use healer's dps as the discriminating factor. A good sch can still easily reach 2k dps in a dungeon and its single target heals are very solid, probably stronger than whm's. But that's not the point the op's trying to make. He's suggesting that sch's healing capabilities are lackluster when compared to ast's and whm's. This is absurd. SCH was and still is the best single target healer, if he's struggling keeping the tank alive during big pulls, it just proves that he's a very bad sch and he's not using his toolkit correctly. Of course, st healing is way easier on whm/ast, you just stand there and spam cure2/benefic2, or at least this is what most mediocre healers tend to do but it works for trivial content.

You're forgetting about Shadow Flare, but I get what you are trying to say. We don't have an AOE damage spell that we can spam like WHM's Holy.

Miasma 2 can and should be spammed if you have spare mp.

[Nowakii]

The only thing i would change to SCH is the MP cost for adlo, its just too high for no reason at all.

[Spiroglyph]

You're forgetting about Shadow Flare, but I get what you are trying to say. We don't have an AOE damage spell that we can spam like WHM's Holy.

At the risk of repeating myself - we have miasma II now no cast time, so can weave in stuff for extra damage if you don't think there's any damage inc that would make you need to use AF stacks on healing. Weaving in ED also counters miasma II MP cost.

And since it's a DOT, even if you need to stop DPSing to heal there will still be damage being dealt to mobs.

I do however miss having a third bane-able dot

[technole]

Miasma II is good spam in dungeons because it's base 100 potency doesn't disintegrate with more mobs unlike with the other two healer AoEs. Plus using ED to keep MP going, pushing Aetherflow clock lower, and building the fairy gauge. As you should be using fairy tether for large pulls. SCH for dungeon use isn't as boring or annoying as it was at the beginning of Stormblood.

The only downside was if you had big tank pulls and extremely low DPS where junk doesn't die, Scholar's limited resources such as tether/stacks will run out sooner than a WHM. But this is also less of an issue now that SCH has good AoE.

[Sebazy]

WHM was better in dungeons in hw too if we're going to use healer's dps as the discriminating factor.

IMO SCH actually did better sustained DPS when taken as an average across the dungeon, the exception to that was of course if you ran with a decent SMN or such. I posted video guides here at Heavensward's release demonstrating how to sustain 1K DPS in iLvl 180 gear as SCH before Gordias was released.

Whilst I mostly agree with you regarding the OP, I do have a little sympathy, it can be pretty rough healing big pulls as a fresh 60 when it's not something you're expecting. Once you've adjusted to it then it's generally not a problem, but those early runs are likely to be a shock to the system given how heavily gated most of the SB levelling dungeons are. I don't think SCH itself is the problem tho, rather a lack of communication and/or common sense within that dungeon group as a whole.

[Feidam]

AST wasn't OP until 3.4, and was not released until 3.0. But do you know what SCH has always had since it's release? A guaranteed spot in any end game raid. SCH has always been strong, if not OP, since ARR.

No it wasn't. When ARR first dropped scholars weren't always welcome in groups. I've played the scholar as my healer since ARR launched. The class never really struggled in my opinion but I recall many times being denied groups for the then hard mode primals and first turns of coil just because I was on a scholar. Once people realized scholars healed differently than whm' the opinion shifted and you didn't see this much anymore.

OP sorry you are not happy with the scholar. While there are still a couple of issues the scholar is a fully capable healer. Personally, I still prefer it to the others. However, if you are not having then you should definitely try a diffferent class.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I main WHM but have all three healers at 70. I leveled SCH before the buffs they gave them and it was tougher than WHM or AST mainly due to not being accustomed to a lack of MP. After the buffs however, SCH feels (to me at least) comfortable again. The only real differences I see in 4.0 vs 3.0 is the weaker aoe due to the bane nerf (though yay for new Miasma II!), that I use Emergency Tactics more liberally now since the cooldown was lowered, and the fact that I actually have to cast my heals more often since my fairy can't solo heal like before due to the Embrace nerf. But that's ok by me cause, ultimately, a SCH is a healer... they should be healing just like a WHM or an AST. Now granted the fairy gives SCH's more opportunity to dps, but at the end of the day they are still healers.

[Ogulbuk]

WHM was better in dungeons in hw too if we're going to use healer's dps as the discriminating factor. A good sch can still easily reach 2k dps in a dungeon and its single target heals are very solid, probably stronger than whm's. But that's not the point the op's trying to make. He's suggesting that sch's healing capabilities are lackluster when compared to ast's and whm's. This is absurd.

I thought I was very clear to say my complaint is pre 68. My favorite part of the game is roulette dungeons, more often than not, I wont have Exco, 45s Aetherflow or fay during those dungeons. Everyone else pretty much gets their full healing toolkit by that point. Lower MP costs, and a slightly stronger healing fay, kept me in line with the other healers.

Never mind that now I cant refresh Shadow Flare on every spawn, my rant is still focused on healing most of the game dungeons (late ARR and HW mostly)

Throughout the thread I keep seeing the same over and over: Exco, Fay Union and 45s aetherflow are great, but I never argued that. Maybe I should complain how Scholar progression is completely [bleeped] up.

At minimum, I would like Quickened Aetherflow to be available MUCH much earlier, that may at least give me more MP recovery tools and faster stacks when I need MP efficiency the most. A Scholar specific trait to reduce the cast of Shadow Flare drastically would be also highly appreciated.

[technole]

Um, the recently buffed Quickened Aetherflow is perfectly fine, the question is why aren't you aggressively using stacks enough to trigger the -5s.

[Jonnycbad]

SCH is so fun now with Miasma 2 changes.