Please lift the insane level restriction on when you can glamour

[Naunet]

You never spent time during ARR farming specific gear for it's look? Well, I know a lot of people that did exactly that, and they were very satisfied once they got all the pieces they wanted. I don't believe that my attitude is archaic, I think it's different from yours though. I see the game as something to be played, not simply as a means to an end, a leveling chore that must be done to hit 70 or whatever. Each to their own, if you want to call my view archaic, I'll call yours business-like.

Of course I did, but that has nothing to do with whether or not one is able to glamour at level 50 or level 1.

If you think I consider leveling a chore that simply must be done to reach the end, then you don't know me at all.

So OP is asking for easy and immediate access to what is essentially a reward for players who reach a milestone in the game?

The ability to glamour doesn't need to be some reward locked behind 50 levels. The armors are locked behind levels and completing content - that is plenty of effort already.

[Fealow]

The ability to glamour doesn't need to be some reward locked behind 50 levels.

It does when most players won't even be able to reasonably afford the fashion items until level 50 at least anyway.

I don't recall there being complaints about this in previous versions of the game, you have to consider where the older/veteran players are coming from (myself included). We worked our way through the original game to obtain this ability, put effort into accruing the funds necessary to actually have decent looking glamour of our choice and then a group of new players appear demanding that they shouldn't have to put any work into the latter half of the process because reasons?

[Naunet]

I don't recall there being complaints about this in previous versions of the game, you have to consider where the older/veteran players are coming from (myself included).

There were. I was there. And I was one of them. :P You think putting effort into obtaining glamour stuff is somehow exclusive to those of us who have been here since the beginning? That's ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if some level 1 can't afford a crafted piece on the marketboard. What if they have a friend who wants to craft it for them? What if they're an alt of a long-time player? What if they don't care about those and just want to glamour their starter set or whatever? It shouldn't matter! Let people have fun! There's zero point in restricting fun behind arbitrary levels.

[Fealow]

There were. I was there. You think putting effort into obtaining glamour stuff is somehow exclusive to those of us who have been here since the beginning?...

At what point have I said the effort was exclusive to players from 2.0?

The only restriction on any player not having the glamour ability is themselves and their willingness to earn it (get to lv50).

What if they have a friend who wants to craft it for them? What if they're an alt of a long-time player? What if they don't care about those and just want to glamour their starter set or whatever?

- If they are a new player and have a high level crafting friend, they are a minority player in the game.

- If they are a long time player leveling an alt, they know getting to 50 is not that arduous of a process in this day and age.

- The 3rd statement I don't really have anything to say in retort, but my best attempt would be that again they are a minority, most people would want to see some kind of progression in their gear when they are a new player.

At the end of the day it's a reward, just like armor dyeing was a reward for reaching Lv15.

Players should earn the ability to glamour, the only other means I would be accepting of is if they added a glamour potion to the Mog station that completes the quest for you at a reasonable price... Say a few $'s.

[Naunet]

I simply disagree and you're not about to change my mind. I think there is plenty of earning and effort involved in actually obtaining the gear you want to glamour. The actual act of glamouring does not need to be locked behind nonsense levels.

[LunarEmerald]

Of course I did, but that has nothing to do with whether or not one is able to glamour at level 50 or level 1.

If you think I consider leveling a chore that simply must be done to reach the end, then you don't know me at all.



The ability to glamour doesn't need to be some reward locked behind 50 levels. The armors are locked behind levels and completing content - that is plenty of effort already.

But a lot of the best glamours are level 1. There's no effort there.

[Fealow]

I simply disagree and you're not about to change my mind. I think there is plenty of earning and effort involved in actually obtaining the gear you want to glamour. The actual act of glamouring does not need to be locked behind nonsense levels.

I'm not here to change your mind, I'm here to call out your idea.

You say nonsense levels, I say learning curve and reward for passing.

But a lot of the best glamours are level 1. There's no effort there.

This was my point earlier as well. Most of what is considered "fashion gear" in this game is level 1 and will cost you an arm and a leg, these crafter friends are not going do it for free.

[LunarEmerald]

I'm not here to change your mind, I'm here to call you out.

You say nonsense levels, I say learning curve and reward for passing.



This was my point earlier as well. Most of what is considered "fashion gear" in this game is level 1 and will cost you an arm and a leg, your crafter friend is not going do it for free.

Crafted, event or mogstation.

[Fealow]

Crafted, event or mogstation.

Crafted - Most fashion glamour gear requires a high level crafter, why should new players have to put in little to no effort when the crafter had to level to get access to it in the first place? They don't just magically appear on the market board.

Events - Require effort.

Mog station - If a player wants to spend their own money to get something the rest of us put time into obtaining then fine, I have no issue. Time is money.

[Naunet]

But a lot of the best glamours are level 1. There's no effort there.

Your opinion. Aesthetic is always subjective.

Also, I didn't realize the level 1 crafted armor could be produced/obtained with no effort. Presumably someone has to craft them - either yourself or another - and if not you, then you must put in the effort to earn the gil to purchase it or the mats to have someone else craft it.

The argument for locking glamour to 50 always seems to revolve around "effort", but getting the damn glamour gear requires effort in the first place. Just let people have fun, for crying out loud.