Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[Reliquia]

And in general RPG settings BRD can be a great DD with differnating levels of support abilites/spells, just cause it was a "weak" support only type class in XI doesn't make that true for its XIV version.

Did you just call BRD weak in FFXI? You know that BRD was the most sought after jobs for years in FFXI, it was a very busy and important job because the support was always good. After what the PT members wanted you could basically give then just about any status benefits. BRD was one of the best job additions in terms of balance, what you refer to as it beaing "weak" was the power to strengthen just about anyone, including itself.

[Anonymoose]

Did you just call BRD weak in FFXI? You know that BRD was the most sought after jobs for years in FFXI, it was a very busy and important job because the support was always good. After what the PT members wanted you could basically give then just about any status benefits. BRD was one of the best job additions in terms of balance, what you refer to as it beaing "weak" was the power to strengthen just about anyone, including itself.

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

[Shneibel]

I do believe that the ARC class can join the job party as range attack, as Bard clearly is a support type. So imo as a ARC, you can choose to play as a range DD or you can choose to be a party buffer

[Claire_Pendragon]

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Agreed.
Plus in MMOs like WoW, the same is said for Hunter.
*Insert other MMO*
I hate how little responsibility DDs have in most MMOs.
Something goes wrong, (Clearly DDs fault) the WHOLE group either blames the healer or tank.

I do agree BRD is a good fix to ARC, so as to avoid mechanics where people outside of AoEs are the only desired DDs. (All bosses AoE now adays, its the only way programmers know how to make hard fights.)

BUT i also think it was bad for SE to drop such a surprise on people like that.Similar with CNJ going full blown healer, and THM going full blown DD (for those who wanted the opposite, back when it was possible.)

[Reliquia]

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

That might be true, but that's the way they had to balance the job. Basically you knew the cons and pros of the job before accepting it, BRD was by most lvled a second job though, because of the demand and the benefits. But my point was really that being a BRD was never a bad thing in FFXI, the pros far outweighed the cons.

[Malakhim]

I do believe that the ARC class can join the job party as range attack, as Bard clearly is a support type. So imo as a ARC, you can choose to play as a range DD or you can choose to be a party buffer

How dare you insert sound logic in a forum nearly devoid of such?

[Tonkra]

To quote myself from the Dragoon/wyvern thread:



I think the real problem is ... the people want to have the choice to stick to their playstyle of the original class.. having for now just one job option (in the future there are planned at least 2 job choices for each class)
is the most problem. so its too early to implement hybrids like dragoon + wyvern pet... like its too early for the barde. people who played the lancer want to stick to the pure wielding polearm class, not having a pet.


and archers for example want to stick to their (just shooting with bow "damage dealer role") playstyle, not having the supporter role as a barde.



Thats the really most problem i think... they should have first added jobs for those classes like (dont know) "lancemaster" for lancer (which only wields poles thats it) and for archer for example thief (specified in bows/daggers/ and critical attack). giving the archer the option also to fight in melee like the thief in FFXI with sneak attacks.. and also gaining new bow abillities like (poisoning arrow, hawk eye) etc.


AND THEN later on with 2.0. implementing second jobs like dragoon+wyvern and barde for archer.
that would have been the better choice.


DRG/BRD/SUM only came after "Chains Of Promathia" which has been the 2. addon of FFXI.
for me its like -> pre 2.0. its like "Rise of the Zilart" Addon -> after 2.0. "Chains of Promathia".
CoP was when i started in FFXI
CoP was the first addon which made me interested in playing FFXI (all the interesting classes etc)
like it will be in 2.0.


but i think its, in view to FFXI, a really good decision to give the barde job to a ranged damage dealer.Why? because the barde in FFXI had not that much to do except standing there and "rebuffing" their songs. sometimes they healed a bit when they had whm as a subjob (but they werent that good ad it).
Now in FFXIV the bard has more to do than just rebuffing their group.
buffing will be only that what they'll do besides attacking with their bow.
and the "archer" role receives much more complexity in battle with this. AND archer will become more popular in group of course... so it isnt a bad thing.

[Felis]

I wonder if when they implement musketeer we can switch

Of course you can. Just equip a gun.

[grandm]

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

this is not going to be a problem for most ppl. as job's are for party's. if you find yourself alone in a room full of gigas your in the wrong place. i can see the bard being in demand. haste me, slow the mob, increase my attack power, decrease the omob's defence. woot that NM was like a normal mob. right where is ifrit hiding

[Lavani]

Chances are that Archer's base damage is dropping because damage buffs will be among the job form's repertoire of songs. Like I said above, in a fast-paced battle, too much of either job's time is spent going back and forth between repeating the same type of thing, or doing no things. Switching back and forth between damaging until you're in danger, and then hitting Chameleon and rebuffing while you cool down will probably go smoothly and look bad-ass.

First of all, I don't enjoy melee classes, and I don't enjoy mage dps. I want a ranged physical damage dealer and bard isnt it.

So, wait, you're specifically saying that your dps is more important than the overall raid dps? That's. . . outstanding. . .

I'm specifically saying that my dps should be on par with that of other DPS.

I do believe that the ARC class can join the job party as range attack, as Bard clearly is a support type. So imo as a ARC, you can choose to play as a range DD or you can choose to be a party buffer

Yes, you can still be an ARC in parties, and unless they buff the damage to be on par with every other DD, there is no point to bring the ARC when you can bring a LNC.

So unless they make BRD a competitive DD while allowing them to Buff the raid and remain competitive then it's def ruined my fave type of character.