Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[Reliquia]

And in general RPG settings BRD can be a great DD with differnating levels of support abilites/spells, just cause it was a "weak" support only type class in XI doesn't make that true for its XIV version.

Did you just call BRD weak in FFXI? You know that BRD was the most sought after jobs for years in FFXI, it was a very busy and important job because the support was always good. After what the PT members wanted you could basically give then just about any status benefits. BRD was one of the best job additions in terms of balance, what you refer to as it beaing "weak" was the power to strengthen just about anyone, including itself.

[Anonymoose]

Did you just call BRD weak in FFXI? You know that BRD was the most sought after jobs for years in FFXI, it was a very busy and important job because the support was always good. After what the PT members wanted you could basically give then just about any status benefits. BRD was one of the best job additions in terms of balance, what you refer to as it beaing "weak" was the power to strengthen just about anyone, including itself.

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

[Reliquia]

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

That might be true, but that's the way they had to balance the job. Basically you knew the cons and pros of the job before accepting it, BRD was by most lvled a second job though, because of the demand and the benefits. But my point was really that being a BRD was never a bad thing in FFXI, the pros far outweighed the cons.

[grandm]

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

this is not going to be a problem for most ppl. as job's are for party's. if you find yourself alone in a room full of gigas your in the wrong place. i can see the bard being in demand. haste me, slow the mob, increase my attack power, decrease the omob's defence. woot that NM was like a normal mob. right where is ifrit hiding

[Nakiamiie]

Remember "Good DD" doesn't mean "In Demand Job." Sure, BRDs were highly sought jobs... but stick one alone in a room with a Gigas and ... well... a few notes won't be the only thing that end up flat.

That was part of my point above; BRD can't survive in XIV on its own merits.

Aren't jobs supposed to be specialty for party play, not solo?

EDIT: Also, what is the difference between archer and ranger? How do people envision it?

[Corrderio]

Aren't jobs supposed to be specialty for party play, not solo?

EDIT: Also, what is the difference between archer and ranger? How do people envision it?

If bowharps are exclusive to Bard they can make crossbows and make them exclusive to Ranger. Assuming they add Ranger.

[Choyi]

Did you just call BRD weak in FFXI? You know that BRD was the most sought after jobs for years in FFXI, it was a very busy and important job because the support was always good. After what the PT members wanted you could basically give then just about any status benefits. BRD was one of the best job additions in terms of balance, what you refer to as it beaing "weak" was the power to strengthen just about anyone, including itself.

I meant weak as in their damage potential thus the air quotes ", in terms of their role as support in a PT and how sought after job was in XI yes they where very strong.
However in raw damage or survability they where one of the weakest classes in any MMO I've ever played.

[Denmo]

I kinda like this direction, it's like getting XI's Corsair early, and it makes a lot more sense for Gridania's lore. Let the Pew Pew Ranger class come in when we can equip double-barreled shotguns.