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  1. #41
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    MauvaisOeil's Avatar
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    Jaghatai Dotharl
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Greven View Post
    PLD: paragon tank, more defensive skills + block rate, easier rotation and can heal self and party. Holy knight theme

    WAR: brings slashing debuff, more complex rotation, nice burst and good with self-sustain. Brutal barbarian theme

    DRK: strong magic defense skill, shield for self or party, good with AoEs and more skills over combo play. Dark edgy theme

    after 4.05 nerf/buffs there isn't much of a big gap in tanks DPS https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme.../405_tank_dps/
    I don't think the main problem about tank DPS is their now non existant disparity. Simply they are balanced around a number of skills either offensive and defensive. And while the DRK and WAR seems to have more offensive related skills and cooldowns, and a more complex DPS rotation, their DPS is quite the same if played like it should. But the PLD shine in DPS when the fight get complex phases and movements, while the warrior will be disrupted in his mandatory combo by theses.

    Well it could have been a no issue, if the tankyness and utillity was Equal even if the PLD got more skills to account for this part. But it's not. The War gauge account for his DPS and his tankyness and he stands not better than the two others in any of the role by spending it. The DRK lacks cooldowns, but hell TBN is still great to use.

    It's like they pooled the whole offensive kit of every tank to make them, despite complexity and number of skills, equals. But they didn't work the defensive and support aspect the same way : Hence the problem.
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  2. #42
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    Fernosaur's Avatar
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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nabian View Post
    Many progression groups are going drk/pld. Pld as OT becsure of higher dps.
    ...It's not because of higher DPS, it's because of Intervention, which is a ridiculously powerful OT ability. DRK also has the easiest time handling magical tank busters, which are all over the place in Omega, because no only do they have TBN as a massive shield for themselves, they also have Dark Mind and Shadow Wall readily available for pretty much every magical TB a fight can throw at them.

    DRK is a much better MT than PLD is, idk why people are still saying PLD does that better than DRK. WAR also has pretty powerful CDs readily available on a very short timer each, even without using Inner Beast. I'd say both WAR and DRK have an easier time MTing than PLD does, since the CD timers on all of PLD's bigger defensive moves, and even the ones you can use to mitigate auto-attack damage for safe DPS stance tanking are hilariously long in comparison to the other two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

  3. #43
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    Mycow8me's Avatar
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    Tolby Seyfert
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    Cactuar
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    Blacksmith Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by YitharV2 View Post
    I don't think there's anything wrong with grass, but I don't want to be a cow. Cows spend all day eating
    You don't say...
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  4. #44
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    Character
    Nikolas Flamel
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 70
    I think all three are fun to play to mix things up.
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  5. #45
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Greven View Post
    forums ate my post twice.
    WAR has inner beast
    PLD has sheltron
    they handle magical dmg equal to a DRK

    but a DRK cant handle phsyical dmg equal to WAR and PLD, w/o tank swapping, to get their CDs back.
    (They can survive them all, just not mitigate as much, as often.)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  6. #46
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Drk was recently buffed, but has always been fun. They have a large, strong aoe attack that is available at a low lv and doesn't require targeting or facing, making low lv dungeons easier, and the class looks good and is easy and fun to play even for beginners at tanking. Plus, who doesn't love clobbering monsters with a huge sword.
    Which AoE?

    I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.
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    Last edited by TankHunter678; 07-24-2017 at 08:15 AM.

  7. #47
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    wintercoat's Avatar
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    Asha Vakaar
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    Leviathan
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    Monk Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Which AoE?

    I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.
    Well, there's also Dark Passenger at 40, but Square nerfed that to basically useless levels so...
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  8. #48
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Play them if you liked the feeling of being cucked.
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  9. #49
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    Dacien Sanderon
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Which AoE?

    I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.
    You forgot Salted Earth at 52. Though you also didn't include Circle of Scorn. It feels like Pld just wins in every area for most levels.
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  10. #50
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    Play them if you liked the feeling of being cucked.
    Surely WAR's the one being cucked atm, PLD stole DRK away.
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