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  1. #11
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII View Post
    You're still treating SCH like a reactive healer when it's supposed to predominantly mitigate.
    Unfortunately the mitigation tools are too expensive now to really use that often, pushing us into support healer. V1S, I only Adlo the off tank when the tank buster is coming and Excog the main tank. Outside of that Adlo, I maybe cast normal Succor 5 times during the battle. ET Succor and Indom are being used far more, and that's big healing, not mitigation.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Alternatively:

    1. Reduce Adloquiem's and Succor's costs or buff their potency to roughly Astrologian levels.
    2. Make Emergency Tactics quadruple the mana cost of the next Adloquiem but make it auto-crit and halve its cast time.
    I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asuras View Post
    I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.
    Still a better skill than dissipation. Dissipation removes healing utility to give you healing utility, focusing on just the heal bonus. LOLissipation gives you healing utility in exchange for resource/dps utility.

    Having largesse effect pets, like food/pots would be equally fine, but all you or I would be doing is trying to undermine a nerf. Increased mp cost on adlo. Decreased healing potency on fairy.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 07-22-2017 at 06:18 AM.

  4. #14
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asuras View Post
    I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.
    Nahh, that's not punishing enough. Their sects will be given a large MP cost and the skill will take them out of them and prevents them from using their Aspected abilities until it's done with, at which point they have to turn it back on.
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    Owa Owa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
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    Then you should really be advocating for better mitigation. This is why changes to SCH are often slow or watered down version of what you actually ask for, because you're asking for things not part of the majority of the actual class design. I'm an AST, and whilst having noct stance is great for playing with WHM, I don't feel we should have better mitigation than you do (and more accessible at that; the cd on deployment tactics coupled with succor's cost and being extremely weak on anyone it doesn't crit on is a joke)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII View Post
    Then you should really be advocating for better mitigation. This is why changes to SCH are often slow or watered down version of what you actually ask for, because you're asking for things not part of the majority of the actual class design. I'm an AST, and whilst having noct stance is great for playing with WHM, I don't feel we should have better mitigation than you do (and more accessible at that; the cd on deployment tactics coupled with succor's cost and being extremely weak on anyone it doesn't crit on is a joke)
    I have been, actually. Of the recent buffs, only Miasma II, [something for Fey Union], and [something for Quickened Aetherflow] really made sense as far as fixing problems that job currently has. Emergency Tactics and Indom really didn't need the buffs they got, and while the Excog buff is nice, it doesn't fix the core problem with the skill - it's still a potential wasted stack (For the record, I've been advocating returning it to it's original numbers, but letting it pop as a shield if it times out, so it becomes "tank buster safety net" or "large shield for Deploy that requires 30+ seconds of preplanning and upkeep.")

    And honestly I'm fine if the balance team if moving AST to be the mitigation healer. If that's their vision of the healer role distribution, fine. But I really would like to know what their vision for SCH is, because at the moment we're so all over the place that I honestly can't figure it out.

    Selene is still mostly useless outside of fairy-swap openers. Dissipation is better now than it was with an indirect buff from Quickened Aetherflow (With the cooldown reductions on use, Dissipation actually gives you enough stacks that it's hard to use them all in the 30sec that they reduce Aetherflow's CD to), but it's still an ability that is actually actively harmful to use in a lot of situations. Bane's ridiculous falloff (17p per tick on later targets, really?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Still a better skill than dissipation.
    Stop.

    Just stop.

    The cards are worth more 20% increase to healing. After using Eos CDs/rouse the fairy is not. Having to resummon her is bad, but you aren't talking about that you are only focusing on the heal increase.
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