Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Tyro]

without a wyvern its a lancer, with a wyvern is a dragoon

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong! no single Dragoon in FF history had a wyvern... just in FFXI

[Keith_Dragoon]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong! no single Dragoon in FF history had a wyvern... just in FFXI

That is incorrect... See below:

Google Facts

Final Fantasy II

In their first appearance, Dragoons are not a Job but a group of spear-wielding dragon riders who fought alongside wyverns. The Emperor killed off most of the group out of fear, leaving only Ricard Highwind and his adopted son, Kain.

It is proven that not only did Dragoons have a relation to Dragons it was also common-place for them to fight alongside Wyverns. The most referenced Dragoon Kain Highwind is the son of one of the FIRST Dragoons in the franchise and he fought alongside a Wyvern.

While it is true when you took control of the characters they did not have one present does not mean they never had them.

[AlphaDragoon]

That is incorrect... See below:



It is proven that not only did Dragoons have a relation to Dragons it was also common-place for them to fight alongside Wyverns. The most referenced Dragoon Kain Highwind is the son of one of the FIRST Dragoons in the franchise and he fought alongside a Wyvern.

While it is true when you took control of the characters they did not have one present does not mean they never had them.

Flat out. Did Kain actually HAVE a pet in FFIV?

No. Say no to pets, people.

[Anonymoose]

It is proven that not only did Dragoons have a relation to Dragons it was also common-place for them to fight alongside Wyverns. The most referenced Dragoon Kain Highwind is the son of one of the FIRST Dragoons in the franchise and he fought alongside a Wyvern.

While it is true when you took control of the characters they did not have one present does not mean they never had them.

FFII is terrible evidence, imho. Dragon-riding cavalry fighter is not equal to guy who fights with alongside a baby wyvern that breathes on stuff. Aside from the terminology, those things have absolutely nothing in common; even among FF tradition of Dragoons and their relationships with dragonkind, XI went rogue.

[Keith_Dragoon]

FFII is terrible evidence, imho. Dragon-riding cavalry fighter is not equal to guy who fights with alongside a baby wyvern that breathes on stuff. Aside from the terminology, those things have absolutely nothing in common; even among FF tradition of Dragoons and their relationships with dragonkind, XI went rogue.

You say FFII is a horrible example yet you link me to a post that compares Dragoon to a character from Dynasty Warriors. While I do loooove me some DW i fail to see how that is a better example then actual lore from the same franchise and related to the same job as we are discussing. Most of your points are decent if the Dragoons in FF were taken from the actual real life Dragoon Calvary which it is not.

Dragoon is the english localization of Dragon Knight which was not brought over only for the fact that name lentgh conflicts and Dark Knight exists and you know how we loooove to abbreviate things. Dark Knight and Dragon Knight would both be condensed into D.Knight which is conflicting and could get confusing for some people. While in the lore Dragon knights do ride Dragons and Fight alongside Wyverns they are not mounted calvary who use range weapons named Dragons. the only real similarity is after the Napoleonic Wars they were trained to use lances.

As for Kain himself while he did not fight alongside a Wyvern in FFIV he did care for his father's Dragon who does not physically take place in the game. There is no proof for or against this so its best left in the dark.

[Anonymoose]

You say FFII is a horrible example yet you link me to a post that compares Dragoon to a character from Dynasty Warriors.

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While in the lore Dragon knights do ride Dragons and Fight alongside Wyverns they are not mounted calvary who use range weapons named Dragons. the only real similarity is after the Napoleonic Wars they were trained to use lances.

As for Kain himself while he did not fight alongside a Wyvern in FFIV he did care for his father's Dragon who does not physically take place in the game. There is no proof for or against this so its best left in the dark.

Man, people really love jumping on the Ma Chao reference. While that does make me proud that the rest of my points are all stronger than that, it's frustrating because it was a joke. I wasn't saying "Look how great a Dragoon Ma Chao is!" I was saying, "We can't leave it as simple as what I have so far, or we end up with Ma Chao." If I was serious, the caption under the image would not have been what it was.

The rest of your post, however, is exactly what I am saying from the other angle. Though what you are saying is correct as well, it adds no evidence whatsoever for them basically soul-bonding with a baby dragon and having the smaller, weaker creature fight alongside them.

Honestly, if a dragoon was truly that close to the dragonkind, I think he'd let the child stay with its parents and instead try to impress one he could actually ride and fight alongside HIM. Again, I don't see the ability to ride a dragon mount into battle happening in XIV. The other DD would just kind of look over and be like, "HEY GUYS! JIM'S GOT THIS ONE! LET'S GO BACK TO THE TAVERN!"

Still, mostly, this is about turning DRG into a pet class, which a lot of people seem to be against. DRGs seem ready to stand on their own, here, and I can see why.

Another pressing issue is that BST is going to be utilizing a lot fewer monsters in XIV, and may in fact actually only be using one from beginning to end (Yoshida touched on this, but didn't say whether WHICH you keep from beginning to end would vary by option at all). This being the case, playing DRG would end up being exactly the same as playing BST, mechanically speaking. That sounds counter-productive...

[giottoV]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong! no single Dragoon in FF history had a wyvern... just in FFXI

You can't even barely call that a wyvern. Its a whelp. ffxi dragoon sucks! it sucked as a DD coz of the pet.