Periodic Warrior complaint thread

[Umbeliel]

Our utility sucks and the dps difference isn't large enough to warrant our existence in a party from a utilitarian standpoint. Please give more party utility of some sort, or dps. Please don't actually give us more DPS- I don't want to be stuck in an OT only position again for another 2 years.

More self sustain would be great, considering that's supposed to be Warrior's design and all. Bloodbath + 300% on IB would be stellar. I can cave on Bloodbath if Path got buffed to at least 100% or something. Or an option for shields. Or something. I don't actually care what I just want more self sustain. Something with a similar overall effectiveness to Clemency would be good.

I'd also like if Onslaught didn't cost gauge but whatever.

[MrSmiley]

300% on inner beast would be pretty op actually...but its not even 100% anymore =/ why.

[Reynhart]

Please don't actually give us more DPS- I don't want to be stuck in an OT only position again for another 2 years.

They can give you more DPS as a MT. For me, what would be cool is to increase the potency of Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone by 25% and remove the "ignores defiance penalty". This way, they'd still do the same damage as before on their own, but they would benefit from Unchained since their effect wouldn't overlap anymore.

[Umbeliel]

300% on inner beast would be pretty op actually...but its not even 100% anymore =/ why.

I'd be fine with 200% too, admittedly. But 88% is ridiculously low and 100% was still too low anyway. 150% is... close, but still too low.

They can give you more DPS as a MT. For me, what would be cool is to increase the potency of Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone by 25% and remove the "ignores defiance penalty". This way, they'd still do the same damage as before on their own, but they would benefit from Unchained since their effect wouldn't overlap anymore.

This would be good too!

[Vejitta]

They say they are planning to revamp Shake it Off in incoming updates.
There is high chance they will remade it to the actual group utility.

[Mirch]

gib warrior stun in puvupu

[aleph_null]

Doing more dps doesn't make you an ideal OT, that's a common misconception. What determines which tank becomes MT/OT is the relative amount of dps loss by MT-ing (including pulling and using enmity combo when necessary).

[Dortharl]

I'm generally uninformed about this stuff as I only started seriously tanking recently, what utility do PLD's have that Warrior's lack?

[Leigaon]

Our utility sucks.

What kind of utility would you like to see?

I do not think you'll see anything that will keep you alive so much in the DPS stance, but I always thought it would be nice if IB did something depending on your stance that you're using.

They could go a long way with this.

I'm generally uninformed about this stuff as I only started seriously tanking recently, what utility do PLD's have that Warrior's lack?

Though I've been screwing with war since 1.0, i'm new to this b/c I'm actually looking at what I'm doing so don't take what I say 100%

I think this person means more along the lines of party utility. In some cases a PLD will pop Passage of Arms for us to get behind, or a will give The Blackest Night. While Warrior, we don't have much to help the party out. Then again every time I ask a question in these forums I get told the last veteran who told me about stuff is an idiot and to listen to them.

Then again, most of these complaints come from a raid standpoint and I find no point in doing savage so I tend to fade away after that.

[BluexBird]

Honestly, Onslaught is fine with the cost. If you're gonna change that in any way, just adjust the potency. It's not like Warriors couldn't use the damage increase given their lack of utility.

As for our sustain, I agree that it sucks. Inner Beast heals you for 88% of the damage dealt now, and Storm's Path for 44%.

The Steel Cyclone buff was a joke and I have no idea why they went with it. The sustain you get from it is like throwing a pebble into the ocean and saying the sea level has risen. It's not even equal to 1 monster's autoattack, let alone a bunch of them. And if you're using Steel Cyclone, chances are you're getting hit by a lot of things at once.

Also, buff Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone damage so that it ends up getting benefited by Unchained... for this idea to be viable, Unchained's duration would have to be increase by A LOT, or else people still wouldn't use it. 20 seconds for a 2-minute cooldown skill, is just not worth it when you consider you'll only be getting 3-4 uses out of it with the increased potency. I mean, it wouldn't be HORRIBLE per se, but when you consider Unchained shares a cooldown with Inner Release, it's not viable.

I'm generally uninformed about this stuff as I only started seriously tanking recently, what utility do PLD's have that Warrior's lack?

In many fights, the bosses will do an AoE attack that hits REALLY hard. If some people are at low HP, they will die from this. As a Paladin, you can quickly save them with:

1. Cover
2. Intervention
3. Divine Veil (though this would require cooperation from the healers)

I was gonna say Passage of Arms too but this one is not realistic since it would require them to be smart enough to come stand behind you.

As a Warrior, if you notice situations like these, there is nothing you can do other than watching them die.

Here is an example - during the second savage fight, Catastrophe uses a really heavy AoE attack that brings everyone who isn't a tank down to 2k-5k. If the healers aren't ready with some form of shield, people end up dead. If a Paladin is in the fight, they can either use Divine Veil or Passage of Arms, which helps the healers out A LOT and makes sure everyone ends up living.