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  1. #11
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    Gravton's Avatar
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    Gravton Pentest
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    It really depends on your play style really. Tanks are the only class that have that kind of freedom. If you turtle/traditional tank then tenacity > determination. If your a dps tank then full direct hit. If your middle of the road then tenacity on gear without it and direct hit on gear that has tenacity. The first two will depended on the needs of your raid group. If you dont have a raid group and just pug, then the last will add to your dps while accounting for different healer mentalities.
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  2. #12
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by BluexBird View Post
    WTF really? Like, are you sure? That seems so useless to the point where I don't even see the point in bothering with melds.

    Ah, screw it - I'ma go full skill speed! :'D
    Melds never were a big contributor to your dps. ~5% at most, but when everyone in a party puts that extra effort, it can be the little something that tips the scale.
    Just to give you an idea though, in a fight like Susano EX, a tank will do about 1M damage for the entire encounter. Even taking a rather pessimistic stance on Tenacy and making it 2% less than DH, it would account for 20K damage difference. So about 6 GCD...

    But in raid, this can be a difference between a clear or an enrage.
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    Last edited by Shinkyo; 07-21-2017 at 12:23 AM.

  3. #13
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    Blue Bird
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 90
    6 GCDs...

    The same 6 GCDs that the extra skill speed will allow me to get. Thanks for the support!
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  4. #14
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    Blanitar Abarhyrsyn
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Materia can make a difference, especially if your wiping consistently to enrage at 1-2%
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  5. #15
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by BluexBird View Post
    6 GCDs...

    The same 6 GCDs that the extra skill speed will allow me to get. Thanks for the support!
    Skill Speed isn't a bad stat now that it boost your AA and Dots and indirectly your resource generation.
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  6. #16
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    Lady Celes
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    Lamia
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    DH left STR right. Now u can get crafted accessories meld str on the 1 for sure slot and over meld DH for even more dps. Ull get more DPS out of max DH then the w extra STR. Now if ur group makes alot of mistakes and ur healers are skeptikal then DH can turn to tenacity. To a raid tank with a solid raid group this is a huge nerf but to a casual group could be the way to go. Plus tenacity could be reworked in future patches. Now u adked why, the reason why STR is first is because its a main stat that our dmg is based off of. Main stats always hold the highest stat wieght (amount of dps per poimt) over secondary stats. DH is a secondary stat that scales much higher then all the other secondary stats. Now if u dont plan on raiding then none of it truely matters in dungeons and 24 man raids. Have fun and work with the team ur with
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  7. #17
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    Yorumi Eienyuki
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 77
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyCeles View Post
    DH is a secondary stat that scales much higher then all the other secondary stats.
    I think we need to be careful about saying things like this. We already have people thinking 1000 tenacity is 1% damage which is false, 1000 is 5%, it's 200 for 1%. There's actually not a very large difference between tenacity and DH as far as damage goes. Max tenacity meld vs max DH meld less than 1% damage difference. This is why so many people are suggesting tenacity, it's not a "huge nerf" to damage, it's a very minor difference in damage to pick up a good bit of extra mitigation.
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  8. #18
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I think we need to be careful about saying things like this. We already have people thinking 1000 tenacity is 1% damage which is false, 1000 is 5%, it's 200 for 1%. There's actually not a very large difference between tenacity and DH as far as damage goes. Max tenacity meld vs max DH meld less than 1% damage difference. This is why so many people are suggesting tenacity, it's not a "huge nerf" to damage, it's a very minor difference in damage to pick up a good bit of extra mitigation.
    Yes!
    Tenacity has a bad rep but it's really not a bad stat.
    I'm going full Tenacity personally and I'm an aggressive tank. If you can stack up 2000 Tenacity, that's 10% passive mitigation and more selfheals for a marginal dps loss.
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  9. #19
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    Lady Celes
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    Tenacity isnt as bad as people are saying. But its nowhere near as good as we thought it was going to be. Its a good stat not worthless like parry. But any serious raider will laugh at that. More accurate stat wieghts will be out soon but u can make multiple builds urelf and test it out. DH is still what u want.
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  10. #20
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    Lady Celes
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    Lamia
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Not to kention u can stack crit and tenacity in ur gear sets. Adding the extra dps from DHIT should be a must. If u cant mix match ur gear between savage and tomes then u shouldnt even ask or be in the conversation as for it doesnt matter for expert roulettes
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