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    Player
    Musicazzz's Avatar
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    Bond Mcdohl
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 87

    What should my materia be?

    Hi guys, im fairly new about materia and would like to ask suggestion for DRK here.

    I heard best materia for accesorries are STR for tanks, why is that?
    And as a tank, shouldn't we all focus on higher hp than anything else, hence VIT materia for everything? why bother with Direct hit and Tenacity?

    Thanks
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    Thaelon's Avatar
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    Kromac Deravenous
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    I do STR then DH then Crit, I am not sure how determination is scaling these days, might be viable for BIS over DH or Crit but I really don't know.
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    MahoSenshi's Avatar
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    Raven Quinn
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    shouldn't we all focus on higher hp than anything else, hence VIT materia for everything
    You can't meld VIT in tank gear, it's already maxed.
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    Badbollen's Avatar
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    Character
    Nonomu Nomu
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    DH left side, STR right side

    This game is hugely dps focused so generally if u can survive the tankbuster and auto after you have enough hp since no matter your hp you still need a heal after a tankbuster and you need to use a cooldown like shadow wall on it, when that requirement is met increasing dps is next, besides you already have max VIT on accessories so cant meld more and in that case we meld our dps mainstat STR

    as far as scaling from what ive seen DH is king and then DET and SKS is better than Crit atm.

    Tenacity is pretty decent and will only continue to become better, it's 1% for 200 so with 1000 TEN (what i have atm without TEN melds) i have a base 5% so while it doesnt scale as high for dps as the other TEN does more, it increase mitigation, damage and the amount you are healed for and is pretty popular for world prog on tanks. (This is from a raid prog viewpoint, farms and stuff i think we will meld whatever gives highest dps again)

    atm i favour DH on left side
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    Last edited by Badbollen; 07-20-2017 at 12:50 AM. Reason: added some text

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    Blue Bird
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Let's say you have 50,000 HP, and you're fighting the hardest boss in the game. Nothing hits harder than it.

    Now let's say you are able to do the whole fight, and throughout the fight your HP never drops below 10,000. This means that you have more HP than you need. Is this a waste? Of course not! Mistakes could happen, and that might cause your HP to drop lower. If you didn't have that extra HP as a safety net, you would have died.

    But suppose you're pretty confident in the fight, and don't think you'll make any mistakes. Wouldn't you say it would be better to trade some of that extra HP and turn it into more damage? That is the case of advocating STR as a main stat. So even if you COULD put VIT inside your accessories, it would be sort of a waste. Even in emergencies, chances are you would have died anyway. If your party messes up, most of the time it doesn't matter if you have 50k HP or 70k - you still gonna wipe.

    So you see, after a certain point, it doesn't matter if you have tons of HP. You just need to have enough HP to be able to do the fight properly.

    As for why you should put STR and not something else like Direct Hit, that's because STR is just a solid, substancial increase (unlike Determination which is just a small increase), and it doesn't rely on chance the same way DH and crit does. STR would be the best meld for everything, but you can only put it on your accessories, so you're left to choose other things for your armors.

    Also, to people saying "DH then crit", like... tank equipment doesn't come with Direct Hit at all. So you'll never be capped. So... WHEN ARE YOU GONNA PUT CRIT?! lol

    I personally used to like crit but I feel as if now, my critical rates are so low that I don't even see the point anymore. So I go with Direct Hit given that it seems to be doing quite well these days.
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    Last edited by BluexBird; 07-20-2017 at 01:23 AM.

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    Yorumi Eienyuki
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 77
    For right side(accessories) it's str all the way no question. For left side I think it's a fight between direct hit and tenacity. DH gives more overall dps, but tenacity does still increase damage, as well as reduce incoming damage.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    The way materia works in FFXIV is each item has a stat cap and you can't put in more of the same stat above that cap. In the case of vit all tank items are already at the vit cap and more vit can not be added in anything.
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    Robin Icebrand
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 80
    Since I'm PUGing Omega Savage on my tank alt, I went with tenacity melds on my left side, if only because I'm running with seven other random people and any bit of mitigation helps in that scenario. If I were in a static with seven people I trusted, I would likely go DH. My right side is all STR.
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Badbollen View Post
    Tenacity is pretty decent and will only continue to become better, it's 1% for 200 so with 1000 TEN (what i have atm without TEN melds) i have a base 5% so while it doesnt scale as high for dps as the other TEN does more, it increase mitigation, damage and the amount you are healed for and is pretty popular for world prog on tanks. (This is from a raid prog viewpoint, farms and stuff i think we will meld whatever gives highest dps again)

    atm i favour DH on left side
    Like many raiders, I'm an agressive tank and care very much about my DPS contribution.
    I'm fully aware DH is the better DPS substat but decided I'd go for Tenacity as the little extra mitigation is a decent trade off for the dps you lose.
    Stacking 520 Tenacity from full left side melds is ~2.6% DPS increase and passive mitigation and self heals while 520 DH is ~3.33% DPS increase.
    Not a big deal either way...
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    Blue Bird
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
    Stacking 520 Tenacity from full left side melds is ~2.6% DPS increase and passive mitigation and self heals while 520 DH is ~3.33% DPS increase.
    Not a big deal either way...
    WTF really? Like, are you sure? That seems so useless to the point where I don't even see the point in bothering with melds.

    Ah, screw it - I'ma go full skill speed! :'D
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