Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Dragon]

I am for a wyvern pet, I just liked the company of my loyal pet. Regardless of what the dragoon history has been in the earlier FF games I felt the wyvern made the class a lot more distinct in FFXI. And what better way to make combos than making combos with your wyvern?

Then why not be for a dragon pet without the Dragoon JOB!? Why not support a dragon for another job like say Dark Knight, where it properly belongs?

Yoshida-san has been all about compromise with everythign else. I don't see why they couldn't make the pet optional. If you have it your strength is split between wyvern and dragoon. Also make it so the wyvern only gets K.O.'d when you do and not by itself, so you can't suddenly be knocked down to half strength.
It could be quested, and those who choose not to use it remain at full strength.
There could be lore that makes sense for those who choose to have a wyvern companion.

I don't think I'll play dragoon without a wyvern personally. It just doesn't fit my character.

Then why not be for a dragon pet without the Dragoon JOB!? Why not support a dragon for another job like say Dark Knight, where it properly belongs?

I did and when I was parsed against other DDs they'd be like "loldrg" I reply "Now add Kagero's damage too.." then it ends with "... I hate you! -_-" and I wrap it all up with "IN YO FACE! <3"

As much as I hate the Dragoon job now, that is pitiful. Any decent DRG could out-DD any other decent melee DPS class in FFXI without the wyvern, all it took was some knowledge and skills. Hell, you'll never find any other job capable of soloing Greater Colibri for 10k xp/hr at 75 (at least pre-abyssea).

I wonder what this poll would look like if there was the third option:

"Like this Post if you wouldn't mind if having a wyvern pet was optional. Totally optional. No loss for not having one."

Why not have a dragon pet optional then regardless of class or job or exclusive to a job that actually makes sense to have a dragon pet, like Dark Knight?

[Nabiri]

Then why not be for a dragon pet without the Dragoon JOB!? Why not support a dragon for another job like say Dark Knight, where it properly belongs?

I don't like the idea of using pets to fight on a non pet job, with everyone having the ability to use them. That chocobo battle thing is a bit sketchy. haha. :x
I wouldn't mind DRK having a wyvern pet, but I think it fits better with Dragoon like in XI. If Yoshida-san said DRK was coming and it would have a wyvern pet, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

But anyways, this discussion is about DRG specifically, and Yoshida-san wants to know if we want a wyvern pet on DRG, and I do.

[Dragon]

I don't like the idea of using pets to fight on a non pet job, with everyone having the ability to use them. That chocobo battle thing is a bit sketchy. haha. :x
I wouldn't mind DRK having a wyvern pet, but I think it fits better with Dragoon like in XI. If Yoshida-san said DRK was coming and it would have a wyvern pet, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

But anyways, this discussion is about DRG specifically, and Yoshida-san wants to know if we want a wyvern pet on DRG, and I do.

I'm saying tying a dragon companionship to either the DRG job or a polearm is asinine, actually. Any sort of Dark Knight or Demonic-related job/class is much better suited for dragon companionship historically when you consider dragons are much closer related to demons and the Dragoon in FF history is known for killing dragons on top of the fact the polearm has historically symbolized killing dragons (AKA King George, Gungnir, etc.) as opposed to dragon companionship (if any weapon should be tied, it'd best be a staff in the case of sorcery or a large sword/axe/scythe for a Dark Knight).

I loved my wyvern pet more than anything in FFXI, but I absolutely hated the Dragoon job until Call Wyvern at least became a 20 minute ability.

[Nabiri]

I'm saying tying a dragon companionship to either the DRG job or a polearm is asinine, actually. Any sort of Dark Knight or Demonic-related job/class is much better suited for dragon companionship historically when you consider dragons are much closer related to demons and the Dragoon in FF history is known for killing dragons on top of the fact the polearm has historically symbolized killing dragons (AKA King George, Gungnir, etc.) as opposed to dragon companionship (if any weapon should be tied, it'd best be a staff in the case of sorcery or a large sword/axe/scythe for a Dark Knight).

I loved my wyvern pet more than anything in FFXI, but I absolutely hated the Dragoon job until Call Wyvern at least became a 20 minute ability.

I don't care about it being tied to any weapon type. And it certainly could be made to fit into the lore.
I just felt Dragoon in XI with the wyvern made it more unique and fun. I don't like pet classes in general, but DRG appealed to me. For me it wouldn't be very interesting without the wyvern, and BST or SMN (or any other pet job) just couldn't replace DRG + wyvern.

[Dragon]

I don't care about it being tied to any weapon type. And it certainly could be made to fit into the lore.
I just felt Dragoon in XI with the wyvern made it more unique and fun. I don't like pet classes in general, but DRG appealed to me. For me it wouldn't be very interesting without the wyvern, and BST or SMN (or any other pet job) just couldn't replace DRG + wyvern.

Well instead of it being just a pet, how about an actual dragon companion that can't just be turned on/off with the switch of a class/job?

[Nabiri]

Well instead of it being just a pet, how about an actual dragon companion that can't just be turned on/off with the switch of a class/job?

No thanks. I enjoyed fighting with my wyvern on DRG. :3

I don' t want a wyvern pet just to have a wyvern pet. I want a pet wyvern on DRG.

[Dragon]

No thanks. I enjoyed fighting with my wyvern on DRG. :3

I don' t want a wyvern pet just to have a wyvern pet. I want a pet wyvern on DRG.

I'm NOT suggesting a wyvern companion just to have a pet. I am suggesting a dragon companion for the sake of dragon companionship, which would have to bring much more than FFXI. All you had in FFXI was a pet for the sake of a pet, NOT a real companion.

[Zanfire]

No thanks. I enjoyed fighting with my wyvern on DRG. :3

I don' t want a wyvern pet just to have a wyvern pet. I want a pet wyvern on DRG.

don't listen to dragon, just another person who is super anti- wyvern who hasnt even touched LNC. They also only think of FFXI DRG and cant think outside of there tiny box, because we all know this game plays exactly like FFXI right?

[SilvertearRen]

No thanks. I enjoyed fighting with my wyvern on DRG. :3

I don' t want a wyvern pet just to have a wyvern pet. I want a pet wyvern on DRG.

I'd rather not have to put Yoshi-P through the headache of doing balancing for Dragoon if a job-specific pet is implemented. I'd rather have it like this: Exclusive mounts for Dragoon.

That way, you ride your f*cking dragon into battle, as opposed to having a tiny, un-rideable little piece of crap flapping next to you like an annoyance.

Ah, well I've already said, I don't really like pets/"companions" that you fight with that aren't attached by job/(good reason for being there).

I would like if pets/"companions" outside of pet jobs, stayed inside our houses.

This suggests you want the wyvern to be EXCLUSIVE to dragoon. Read my above statement in this post - this solution completely solves your whining. I don't want my Dragoon being gimpled or weakened just because he has the ability "Call Wyvern".

That is my primary concern. I don't want my Dragoon to be weak in PVP, or in PvE because someone needed to rebalance Dragoon as a pet class.

Look, if you're going to be stubborn, don't talk. If you want a dragoon pet so badly, why don't you just quit FFXIV and go back to XI? There are plenty of people here who do not want the jobs in XIV to be mirrors of their FFXI counterparts.

AND THAT MEANS NO FRIGGIN' WYVERN "PETS" FOR DRAGOON.

The only reasonable exception is in the form of a mount.

P.S. Don't forget that there is a chocobo battle system in development. This can easily be adapted to the Dragoon's mount... :| Seriously, take a big picture perspective here, people.

[Reliquia]

Then why not be for a dragon pet without the Dragoon JOB!? Why not support a dragon for another job like say Dark Knight, where it properly belongs?




Then why not be for a dragon pet without the Dragoon JOB!? Why not support a dragon for another job like say Dark Knight, where it properly belongs?



As much as I hate the Dragoon job now, that is pitiful. Any decent DRG could out-DD any other decent melee DPS class in FFXI without the wyvern, all it took was some knowledge and skills. Hell, you'll never find any other job capable of soloing Greater Colibri for 10k xp/hr at 75 (at least pre-abyssea).




Why not have a dragon pet optional then regardless of class or job or exclusive to a job that actually makes sense to have a dragon pet, like Dark Knight?

1) Drg was the pet wyvern job in FFXI, we have identified with the jump, AF and class identity in general of the classical dragoon being the wyvern class. This was a step forwards even though it wasn't very well implemented in FFXI, they should improve it with FFXIV rather than going backwards.

2) Don't mess with DRK. Drk should be that heavy DD with dark magic spells, not a pet job. How does it make sense to give DRK a wyvern? This is not where it "properly belongs".

The only ways of implementing a wyvern would be by either
a) Giving drg a wyvern. (which is where it belongs if implemented)
b) Making a new job, hopefully a second job for lancer. But then they would most likely not give them jump and drg AF, which is missing half the point of adding it in the first place for us who identified with how Drg was in FFXI.

Like I stated earlier, there are two full DD classes. Monk and Drg, why not separate them properly?
And if I understood it right from the interviews, Drg was getting the self combo system, why not make that for MNK? (seeing as there are more possible combos with 4 limbs than a lance).