SCH opinons on the change

[Feidam]

They shouldn't touch the shields. The reason you shield for less is because you have additional healing coming out from your pet that Nocturnal Stance doesn't have access to.

You mean the pet that fires of embrace so we have a benefic 2 size heal when combined with phsycik or the Aoe regen to help bring people back up while succor absorbs damage that isn't even a complete hit anymore mean while you can spam Helios and aspected Helios while we have large cooldowns and massive mana costs. I'm not saying Ast shields need to be nerfed but they should not cost less and heal for more barring crit Aldo. If they want to leave our potencies where there are fine, but how about a mana fix a bit. Granted mana isn't usually an issue if people are not being stupid.

After the changes on tues I do feel scholars are in better place. Hell I'd be happy if succor just had Aldo's crit aspect. Then it would be some give and take with the Ast shields.

[paoweeotter]

The way healers are now we are pretty much balanced. Groups are using all 3 healers equally, no healer feels blatantly OP or UP. Why do they need to "fix" SCH shields AND dissipation AND Selene AND Excog?

I agree. we need to look at the kit as a while and not just blindly compare potencies. however Selene could really use a rework. there's hardly any use for her. it would be NICE if she was put on par with eOs so we have am actual choice of who to use as a pet. right now my only use for selene is during the opener.

[inhaledcorn]

You mean the pet that fires of embrace so we have a benefic 2 size heal when combined with phsycik

You mean like how a Regen with a Cure I is like a Cure II heal?

[Riyshn]

So the new Quickened Aetherflow is amazing and does actually make Dissipation worth using. Consider:

Aetherflow
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Rouse > [Whispering Dawn]
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Dissipation
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Aetherflow

Replace Broil IIs/Energy Drains with DoT management or heals as needed, but that's a solid 30 seconds of being able to use an Aetherflow stack with nearly every GCD. That is a lot of burst DPS/heal potential.

[BloodPact]

You mean the pet that fires of embrace so we have a benefic 2 size heal when combined with phsycik or the Aoe regen to help bring people back up while succor absorbs damage that isn't even a complete hit anymore mean while you can spam Helios and aspected Helios while we have large cooldowns and massive mana costs. I'm not saying Ast shields need to be nerfed but they should not cost less and heal for more barring crit Aldo. If they want to leave our potencies where there are fine, but how about a mana fix a bit. Granted mana isn't usually an issue if people are not being stupid.

After the changes on tues I do feel scholars are in better place. Hell I'd be happy if succor just had Aldo's crit aspect. Then it would be some give and take with the Ast shields.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't have "large cooldowns". You have superb abilities under Aetherflow that just got lowered to 3 every 45 seconds. That's you main "cooldown". You have a COMPLETELY SEPARATE entity that doesn't expire which is a 100% uptime, MP free regen, and it can use its abilities totally outside of your own GCDs and oGCDs (e.g. it can use Whispering Dawn while you cast Physick (GCD) or use Energy Drain (oGCD)). No ever mentions that plus. The MP increase for your spells is also fine. Learn to live with it. For 4 YEARS Scholars were basically laughing at WHM because MP for Scholar used to be "just a pink bar in my user interface that I don't know what it's for". Adlo and Succor aren't mean to be spammed. Those days for Scholar are gone. It did need help in 4.0. It is perfectly fine now.

[Alisi]

You have a COMPLETELY SEPARATE entity that doesn't expire which is a 100% uptime, MP free regen, and it can use its abilities totally outside of your own GCDs and oGCDs (e.g. it can use Whispering Dawn while you cast Physick (GCD) or use Energy Drain (oGCD)).

Fairies can die. LOL. And they nerfed embrace into the ground. WD is nice but it's tied to the fairy. GL getting it off if the party needs healing AND it has a CD. So, no, WD isn't up 100%. The fairies will try to embrace everyone up first so you have a 50/50 chance of getting it off when you need it. But precasting it takes care of that.

The MP increase for your spells is also fine. Learn to live with it.

LOL. You know Astro is going to come out of this with their MP costs as they are? Scholar is the forerunner here. They are testing the MP costs on Scholars first. This is the way every, single shield based healing class goes. Astro's are going to be in for a rude awakening if you honestly think this will just be us. So you gloat and feel superior while you can. Then the old good Astro's will be the Scholars who know how to deal with the MP costs...

[Silver-Strider]

It's funny, SCH has now become discount AST.

Better, faster, cheaper shields as well as stronger heals in general.
Arguably better crit buff in Spear.
No micromanaging an unreponsive pet.

Wait, did I say funny. I meant sad.

The changes to SCH are nice but missed the mark by a mile.

E-Tactics CD reduction is great but we're still paying ~2k MP for our Cure 2/Benefic 2 and Medica/Helios. Even with the triple potency on crit, it does not justify the absurd cost of Adlo and Succor so maybe E-Tactics reduce the cost of both by half, just to help our resource management.
Buff Chain Stratagem. Reduce the CD, increase the buff and/or duration.
Make the pet prioritize orders over auto Embrace.
I have more but it's a hassle to edit on my phone

[VanilleFang]

I agree. we need to look at the kit as a while and not just blindly compare potencies. however Selene could really use a rework. there's hardly any use for her. it would be NICE if she was put on par with eOs so we have am actual choice of who to use as a pet. right now my only use for selene is during the opener.

Yeah, Selene definitely needs a tweak. My post was asking why we need to "fix" all of those things, instead of tweaking 1 or 2.

If SCH get a stronger shields, and a better Selene, and a better Dissipation, and Excog is buffed again then SCH would just be flat out OP. That is not how you balance a game.

Tweak Selene, and maybe reduce Adlo cost by a little. Nothing more really needs to be done. SCH is not hurting anymore and it's not being excluded or left in the dust. It's a perfectly functioning healer that could use like 1 or 2 tweaks tops.

[VanilleFang]

It's funny, SCH has now become discount AST.

Better, faster, cheaper shields as well as stronger heals in general.
Arguably better crit buff in Spear.
No micromanaging an unreponsive pet.

Wait, did I say funny. I meant sad.

Eh? Stop looking at the shields as an isolated ability. There's a whole kit that surrounds them.

Spear is better than Chain Strat in what way? Spear increases Crit rate by 20% for one ally, or 10% for all allies... Chain Strat always increases Crit by 15% with none of the extra RNG. Granted Spear increases healibg crit rate, but Chain strat gives everyine +15% on their DPS. Oh wow, Spear lasts 5s longer. So OP.

But they have to play with RNG and Yugioh cards? So... yeah. No pet but cards.

[Feidam]

Eh? Stop looking at the shields as an isolated ability. There's a whole kit that surrounds them.

Spear is better than Chain Strat in what way? Spear increases Crit rate by 20% for one ally, or 10% for all allies... Chain Strat always increases Crit by 15% with none of the extra RNG. Oh eow, Spear lasts 5s longer. So OP.

But they have to play with RNG and Yugioh cards? So... yeah. No pet but cards.

The change to the spear card was a good thing for Ast. I don't get why scholars are upset about this. Chain strat is still a nice skill for the dps check phases. I agree with you people need to let this go.

The recent buffs to the scholar are nice. It is true, imo that the scholar is much closer to the pack than it was in 4.0. I still don't think that Aldo or succor are where they should be be. Either they need a small potency buff to go with the high mp costs or a small mp reduction to go with current potencies. However, I do realize with more crit at later gear levels in the life of the expansion may solve this issue.

Selene. Poor Selene. I kind of feel they just forgot about her. Her aoe cleanse is nice, but highly situational. The fey wind buff has always been decent imo. Silent dusk has never worked. What to give her however is a tough decision imo.

Overall scholar has remained my favorite healer even at the start of 4.0. Always loved the play style. The Ast is fun for something different but with shields. Surprisingly the whm is also now enjoyable to me with the ability to sling it's nukes more frequently and still have mp to heal.