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  1. #2791
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    Osh1mA's Avatar
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    Oshima Cromwell
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by prophecy4seen View Post
    There is no proof that the creators intendeded umbral hearts to be used outside of AOE its something that we the players decided.
    What? No... Go watch preSB liveletter where yoshiP plays BLM. Or all their thoughts about how they redo enochian after it lose its timer...
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  2. #2792
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Yes he did the opener with B4 but as I already said B4 ahs only a value when you CAN cast those 6 fire IV and that is not always possible, we haven't seen yoshida playing around a real raid scenario (btw we know he tests them with his BLM) so it's possible that we want to use them in specific situation, also remember that yoshida acknowledges the fact that the community can find more effective ways to play than them
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  3. #2793
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    Little Box
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    yoshida acknowledges the fact that the community can find more effective ways to play than them
    This is pretty much what i mean. You don't see Yoshi P running around on our servers spreading the BLM gospel lol. The liveletter is also the same kind of situation, the point was to showcase not to innovate, that is something they leave to us the population.

    The main problem with our class is meta viability.. Red mage does on par (I wont say more because fflogs is not a good enough proving method to determine this) damage plus has a party buff.

    I believe our rotation 4.05 rotation is fine, and leaves enough leeway for movement especially when we get more spell-speed. I believe that our problem right now is simply that we are suppose to be the samurai of magical dps, and we are currently not. They should either buff our potency or decrease the RDM potency bringing them in line with summoners.
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  4. #2794
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    prophecy4seen's Avatar
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    Odin
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    Ran out of space..

    Of course it is entirely possible that in this current section of the game, we are not suppose to be the Big D dps.. and maybe we are the Big D AOE dps.. Sucks because delta scape has no real need of that sofar.. but its possible.
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  5. #2795
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by prophecy4seen View Post
    Ran out of space..

    Of course it is entirely possible that in this current section of the game, we are not suppose to be the Big D dps.. and maybe we are the Big D AOE dps.. Sucks because delta scape has no real need of that sofar.. but its possible.
    You can edit your post to get past the limits.

    Anyways, what else do we bring if not the big D deeps? Despair? Wait, that's D too.
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    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

  6. #2796
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    Edwin Odesseiron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    Yes he did the opener with B4 but as I already said B4 ahs only a value when you CAN cast those 6 fire IV and that is not always possible, we haven't seen yoshida playing around a real raid scenario (btw we know he tests them with his BLM) so it's possible that we want to use them in specific situation, also remember that yoshida acknowledges the fact that the community can find more effective ways to play than them
    I think it was more along the lines:
    "Ok we want to merge enochian into af/ui, let's do it. But then there will be no reason for people to use b4 ever. Lets add something to it to make it viable."

    I highly doubt they actally tested (or even cared) it long enough to maximize dps gain over 3.0 rotation. Its still usable from time to time and thats about it, not the highest priority stuff.
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  7. #2797
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    Oh and displaying the Big D dps i was on about earlier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aubn796nvFE

    Props to Lavitz
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  8. #2798
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by prophecy4seen View Post

    The main problem with our class is meta viability.. Red mage does on par (I wont say more because fflogs is not a good enough proving method to determine this) damage plus has a party buff.
    I think that we shouldn't compare ourselves to RDM if we are to be the SAM of casters, I think that however melee meta is so radicated in the brain of ppl that they lack to see that there are tons of moments were melee have to go around dodging stuffs
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  9. 07-20-2017 02:46 AM

  10. #2799
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    Bighorn Bunny
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by prophecy4seen View Post
    Oh and displaying the Big D dps i was on about earlier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aubn796nvFE

    Props to Lavitz
    That's a nice number, until you factor in that it's a Level 1 striking dummy. Still, if BLMs get similar results in SSS, then we'll definitely be in a competitive slot.
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  11. #2800
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    Blitz Striker
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    So anyone know what are the requesred Spellspeed,Crit and other stats for Omega Savage?

    and what for food are we still gonna use?
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    Last edited by Blitz_Striker; 07-20-2017 at 03:34 AM.

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