SMN - Most Glaring Issues

[Ariomi]

So.... Scholars got Miasma 2

100 Potency on hit. Another 100 potency over 12 seconds....

And Summoner can't have this why?

[Brinzy]

I'd love Miasma 2. The lack of Blizzard 2 is pretty noticeable in an age where Bane is trash.

Of course, I'd also simply like for Bane to not be trash, buuut we're all aboard the Bahamut train now.

[Neela]

So.... Scholars got Miasma 2

100 Potency on hit. Another 100 potency over 12 seconds....

And Summoner can't have this why?

im glad that we don't got this back - after all that wouldn't make things easier for us at all. its melee range -> we would have to move more again bringen bahamut even more to the center of grp stack-spots. but I like that schs got it back though – last thing I personally would like to see is a real poteqcy increase/discription on the pet skills. 680 pot which is more likely a 544 player-pot for a jq 70 skill is a bit sad... ^^

[dinnertime]

I think they should just make PvE SMN just like how it is on PvP where you only need one Dreadwyrm Aether cost to Summon Bahamut. I guess that would help a bit with the AoE and overall damage. Maximizing Wyrmwave is still a pain though.

[Len]

I've said this once in the past, and it's especially true now: the developers have no goddamn clue what to do with Summoner.

They better have HUGE changes coming down the line if this is the only change we're getting right now.

[Koyuki38]

I completely disagree with every one saying that the job is poorly design, or that the developers doesn't know what to do with it.

There is just QoL issue which should not be hard to fix (except maybe with the pet responsivity, since we did not have any improvement in years...), and maybe some spell to rework just a little bit to match something usefull (yes, devotion, i'm looking at you for some reason !). And maybe a few adjutment to get a little bit higher dps.

But now too much people is close to say that the entire job is trash just because
- Bahamut is too big
- Devotion is useless
- Bane sux (which is true but you don't need it on last Boss, Suzano or Lakshmi neither)

and the real complain is far away from this : Dps is not as high as the personal skill requirement.

I still want some some improvement, not rework.

Come one, nothing will change if they rework devotion, reduce the size of Bahamut or anything else. You'll still put dots, fill with ruine, cast 3 Fester/min and call Bahamut at some moments. Same job. Don't except any update to change that. Except making the job a little bit stronger and/or nicer, nothing else will change.

The fact is that if the developpers have not clue about what to do with the job, not a single player has a clue about he wants instead.

[Neela]

Bahamut, Devotion and Bane are out of discussion since weeks... don't get your post at all to be honest. the main problem is that with all the effort of being perfect just rewards you with avg. numbers compared to way easier dds. thats why people complain in the end. if it would be possible to deal 6k+ dmg on a perfect rotation or skilllevel (like the 5-6 top tier on fflogs at 4k atm) than nobody would question the cls-design and aetherflow mechanic. but as long as you have to be that focused to deal mid dmg without even the chance to deal with the big players - people should discuss about that.

there are two official statements from SE both seem smn excluding...
1) All jobs rota should be easier to close the cap between casuals and elite (SB-Interview)
2) More effort in certain cls' should be rewarded higher than on other cls (Before the live-letter)

so where do u see smn in both intended statements? both points should fit but not one of them does it atm at its current state.

I think they should just make PvE SMN just like how it is on PvP where you only need one Dreadwyrm Aether cost to Summon Bahamut. I guess that would help a bit with the AoE and overall damage. Maximizing Wyrmwave is still a pain though.

+1 for that ^

said it several times by now – giving the pve profil the same changes smn has in pvp - it would be way more fluent ya ^^

[Ariomi]

The fact is that if the developpers have not clue about what to do with the job, not a single player has a clue about he wants instead.

You are right and wrong. The developers have not a clue, but there's only about every person who complained about Summoner on the forums who know what they want.
They want Summoner's gameplay built upon, and cultivated into something fun, engaging and satisfying to play.

What Summoners are now? Boring, extremely punishing and lack luster.

Spamming Ruin? Atleast Black Mages switch between Fire and Ice spells... Ruin... Ruin 3.... Maybe Ruin 4 every once in awhile. The old Dot gameplay that most summoner's got accustomed to? Torn down. Pets working certain ways? Adjusted in the worst way possible that accentuates the flaws with how the pet behaves. Summoner's in 3.0 was all about the satisfaction of Dreadwyrm trance. Using Ruin 3, Tri Disaster and Festers in Dreadwyrm trance to cram out as much damage as possible. Crit Festers hitting for 15k or Deathflares hitting for around 20k were the most satisfying feeling.

Summoner in any regard now is a highlight of frustration. Lackluster Dots, Pet mechanics that have you begging your pet to use their skill before it throws off your abilities. Spells that hardly do damage, and the same satisfying feeling of Ravaging packs of enemies, replaced as your attacks hardly feel you do damage.

Skills like Devotion, being underwhelming, and frustrating even detrimental from Summoner as they try to position their pet for the most insignificant buff in the world. Dots barely tickle enemies and everything about Summoner feels like an uphill battle when Red Mage seamlessly overtakes us without hardly breaking a sweat in any regard.

[PotatoTree]

They should just delete the job altogether. Being tied with SCH is probably making it too hard to balance. Just delete the whole job and remake it as some other job.

[dinnertime]

They should just delete the job altogether. Being tied with SCH is probably making it too hard to balance. Just delete the whole job and remake it as some other job.

The two jobs feel separate at this point with the new job skills replacing the ACN skills and bonus attributes gone. Right now the only skills they both actively use is Aetherflow, Ruin II, Bane (lol) and Shadowflare. At least that's what I can think of right now.