SCH opinons on the change

[Fernosaur]

Yes cuz Raiding is the only thing that matters in the game lol, I mean come on these changes are band aid on a cut off hand.
Ast even with the nerf to there cards are STILL better in almost every way then a scholar...

It's not, but when it comes to game balance, raiding is the most important point, cause it's where all the jobs are taken to their extremes.

SCH is still the worst healer for dungeons, coming from IMHO being the best dungeon healer in HW, so yeah, that still sucks a lot. But that's why I levelled WHM first anyways :P

[Supersun]

40 seconds, but your fairy is dead and you have no ogcd healing resources. 12 energy drains and a burden to your coheal is a good deal i guess. ;[

I mean most fights start up pretty slow. It would mainly be an opener tactic, and not a bad one at that.

It'd probably be a bit safer to go with 9 in 30 seconds instead and hold on to the last 3 to start healing with.

If you are concerned about the co-heal you could, instead of Selene, start with Eos and open with a Roused AoE to cover you for the 30 seconds you'll be DPSing.

[Born_Free]

Man, you people just can't be pleased, can you... You wanted a nerf to Balance, and you got it.... so now you're complaining about Spear... Oh well.

LMAO "you people?" Man, you both talk AND act like the bulk of the ASTs I've run with.
"I'm not switching out of Noct, your shields are garbage now, lmao."

Again, get over yourself.
While we're at it, can we nurf your shields? You do know they're instant and heal better than ours, right? Like, you know that, right? You *can't* be that blind. Or stupid. Probably.

[LegoTechnic]

It's not, but when it comes to game balance, raiding is the most important point, cause it's where all the jobs are taken to their extremes.

SCH is still the worst healer for dungeons, coming from IMHO being the best dungeon healer in HW, so yeah, that still sucks a lot. But that's why I levelled WHM first anyways :P

SCH have absolutely no problem healing dungeons with their kit though, so this is a funny metric to use.

I agree with your point about raiding.

[Riyshn]

So Sch can now use 12 Energy Drains in ~30 seconds...That seems pretty good actually if a bit situational because of the cost.

I could totally see some shenanigans with opening with Selene, using her speed buff, dissipating her in the process of opening with 12 energy drains in 30 seconds then summoning Eos for the rest of the fight.

I think these changes are enough for me to start playing Scholar again.

That is more or less what I did in A8S, yeah. The actual Dissipation was 90sec in so I could get off a second Fey Wind (mostly because this also lined up with when I used my last Aetherflow stack), and then I resummoned shortly before Oppressor flew away.

Also, a standard SCH opener starts with Selene for a pre-pull Fey Wind anyway, and switches out for Eos as part of the pre-pull, because there is literally no reason not to as long as you have at least a 10sec countdown. (Summon Eos at 10, Few Wind about half way through the cast, proceed as normal.)

Its not consistent though. Consistent would be a flat cost reduction to 45sec, the 45sec because of the trait is still inconsistent. you would have to waste all of your aetherflow stacks prior to it coming off of CD, for the 45sec to be consistent, and what SCH is going to do that as we have to watch and use them strategically .

It's perfectly consistent, it's just not free. If you use your Aetherflow stacks in the same place, Aetheflow's effective cooldown will always be the same. Using them before it comes off cooldown isn't a waste, because it's what you should be doing anyway. Ideally your last stack in non-planned situations is used within 10 seconds of Aetherflow coming up, so you aren't wasting time with it sitting off CD. This just adds another layer of strategy to their use.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

LMAO "you people?" Man, you both talk AND act like the bulk of the ASTs I've run with.
"I'm not switching out of Noct, your shields are garbage now, lmao."

Again, get over yourself.
While we're at it, can we nurf your shields? You do know they're instant and heal better than ours, right? Like, you know that, right? You *can't* be that blind. Or stupid. Probably.

Well any sane AST wouldn't say something like that. If I'm paired with a SCH I'll always go diurnal. Don't generalize all ASTs and most importantly, do not channel your hate towards the job because of people like that. There's no need for name calling.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

for now we take what we can get, these changes only help ease some of the frustrations Ive had with our newly acquired SB abilities, however if the devs think we are dumb enough to just be ok with a few band aids and a shinny new indom, they are crazy.

sch still suffers from the fact that the moves in its kit don't play well with each other (dissipation and fey union), some are just plain overpriced for the action in terms of MP (looking at you succor and adlo), our fairys are lacking (poor selene), and we as a class are lacking a general identity (are we dps hybirds, shield healers, pet healers, direct healers). it feels like SE wants us to be able to do all this just not very well for any one in particular. we are the jack of all trades healer that is just "OK" at everything in terms of healing different ways, but we just want to know where we really shine.

[Starflake]

Can't say I ain't mad myself at all the smug Astrologians who laugh while claiming they've been nerfed, but don't really talk about the buff they got. Astrologians, the way I see it, have become more useful. It has more useful tools now, it now has a higher probability to be more useful. How can this even be justified. The focus should no longer be on Scholar or White Mage, but on how disgustingly strong Astrologian is.

[ZonHoodn]

Its not consistent though. Consistent would be a flat cost reduction to 45sec, the 45sec because of the trait is still inconsistent. you would have to waste all of your aetherflow stacks prior to it coming off of CD, for the 45sec to be consistent, and what SCH is going to do that as we have to watch and use them strategically .

If you're not using all your 3 aether stacks prior to the next aetherflow, that's a waste of a free mana-less heal, aoe damage reduction, or aoe heal. It is very much so consistent.

[Supersun]

But yeah, I think the Aetherflow change will actually significantly increase Scholar's MP.

I'll have to do some math, but dissipation could actually be worth it now in some situations.

Aetherflow normally restores 10% MP every 60 seconds.

Now it will restore 10% MP every 45 seconds or another way to look at it is 13% every 60 seconds.

Using Dissipation will restore 10% MP with a 30 second CD or 20% over 60 seconds.

Reducing the CD of Aetherflow is exponential in a form. If piety gets high enough there could be a point where the increased MP regen may actually be enough to pay for the fairy.

Situational still, but it's getting a lot closer to actually being something rather than something you only pop at the end of the fight for an extra 3 EDs.

I'm actually a bit disappointed now that the Spear is getting changed. It would have been fun to test it with Aetherflow and Dissipation to get a 12 second Aetherflow recast, and the ability to cast 12 Energy Drains in ~20 seconds and 18 Energy Drains within a minute lol.