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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Red Mage. You can be brain dead and still be second in DPS over every other job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Red Mage. You can be brain dead and still be second in DPS over every other job.
    Run into a lot of DF RDMs that I beat as Dragoon of all things. So...you can't be braindead.

    As accurate as the aggro list can be...but I have more aggro than a lot of DF RDMs, and I use Diversion and Evasive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Run into a lot of DF RDMs that I beat as Dragoon of all things. So...you can't be braindead.

    As accurate as the aggro list can be...but I have more aggro than a lot of DF RDMs, and I use Diversion and Evasive.
    RDM is still a caster.
    You still need to follow your ABCs (always be casting) to do damage because you have no autos.
    If a melee dps presses one skill at random each 4 seconds, they still have their autos doing work (which is like, over 20% of a melees dps on average, right?). At absolute worst, a monk who's afk does like 20ish% of a decent monk's dps.
    RDM... not so much. Each second you do nothing, you really do nothing xD
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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    RDM is still a caster.
    You still need to follow your ABCs (always be casting) to do damage because you have no autos.
    If a melee dps presses one skill at random each 4 seconds, they still have their autos doing work (which is like, over 20% of a melees dps on average, right?). At absolute worst, a monk who's afk does like 20ish% of a decent monk's dps.
    RDM... not so much. Each second you do nothing, you really do nothing xD
    I know x3 my only point is, it's not *as* braindead as suggested of a job. You still see bad Red Mages, you still need a basic grasp of the mechanics.
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    Ebony Seraph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    RDM is still a caster.
    You still need to follow your ABCs (always be casting) to do damage because you have no autos.
    If a melee dps presses one skill at random each 4 seconds, they still have their autos doing work (which is like, over 20% of a melees dps on average, right?). At absolute worst, a monk who's afk does like 20ish% of a decent monk's dps.
    RDM... not so much. Each second you do nothing, you really do nothing xD
    Far from true. Auto's are ~30% of damage when you're playing effectively as monk. The amount of damage in that 30% is buffed by a constant uptime of GL3, Twin Snakes and Dragon Kick on the target. And is 30% of a larger whole of a monk who is using their shorten ~2second GCD on GL3, and hitting positionals with it. The said, the Monk you describe would be doing next to nothing.

    I don't understand the "monk is simple" comments. The rotation is locked, but getting into position is a constant dance above other jobs that need to move for mechanics. Monks are punished more heavily when they drop the constant attacking, when they aren't in position, and even when not attacking the decision making that goes into Form Shifting, Meditation, and Earth's Reply(rare, a skill we hate but has a use) is still substantial.
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    Last edited by EbonySeraphim; 07-19-2017 at 03:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Red Mage. You can be brain dead and still be second in DPS over every other job.
    Still spreading this nonsense? There is a video on youtube showing a bug that makes them do their melee combo a lot faster than they are supposed to, which is how their dps is so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    Still spreading this nonsense? There is a video on youtube showing a bug that makes them do their melee combo a lot faster than they are supposed to, which is how their dps is so high.
    So, what, faster than the 1.5 second recast that the Enchanted form specifically reduces it too?

    If you're assuming the regular and Enchanted variants are the same, don't. Look at your tooltips for each.
    http://prntscr.com/fwjvsd
    http://prntscr.com/fwjw2d


    On topic:
    Red Mage, Ninja, and Monk are probably your easiest DPS, in that order. Bard is also very simple, but cluttered and less intuitive to master (similar to Monk in that regard).

    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    Stick with your class son, don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about.
    Funny... Mine is higher level than yours. But, okay. I'll stick to my other 70s.

    The confusion was due to the wording. I use the half-cost imbalance frequently. I assumed you meant the rate of the combo itself, not the rate at which one gains sufficient mana to perform it.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 07-17-2017 at 01:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
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    I think the bug Shug meant is the one where you can get your full enhanced combo off (+finisher) by using imbalanced mana (there's a thread with the magic numbers).

    With specific cds up, this can be exploited (especially helpful for your opener) and you can get the enhanced combo a gcd earlier.
    If you use it whenever possible, you get a few more full enhanced combos over the course of a fight.
    The opener usage is quite nice because it allows to line up buffs better with Embolden+your combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    I think the bug Shug meant is the one where you can get your full enhanced combo off (+finisher) by using imbalanced mana (there's a thread with the magic numbers).

    With specific cds up, this can be exploited (especially helpful for your opener) and you can get the enhanced combo a gcd earlier.
    If you use it whenever possible, you get a few more full enhanced combos over the course of a fight.
    The opener usage is quite nice because it allows to line up buffs better with Embolden+your combo.
    Thats the one. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    So, what, faster than the 1.5 second recast that the Enchanted form specifically reduces it too?

    If you're assuming the regular and Enchanted variants are the same, don't. Look at your tooltips for each.
    http://prntscr.com/fwjvsd
    http://prntscr.com/fwjw2d
    Stick with your class son, don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about.
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