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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    If the base MP is raised by like, 1000, the the 3.X rotation can now include 5xF4s, and will be better regardless of the scenario (and even have the perfect duration to have Foul up every UI, with Sharpcast and Triple offsetting each other's influence on rotation length and conveniently sharing a cd).
    If they let that 5xF4 be possible w/o Blizz 4... That would just be bad oversight and I would question how much they know about the BLM rotations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamvng View Post
    If they let that 5xF4 be possible w/o Blizz 4... That would just be bad oversight and I would question how much they know about the BLM rotations...
    But that's already possible now? F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->F4->B3 is perfectly possible already while still having time to weave in procs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    But that's already possible now? F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->F4->B3 is perfectly possible already while still having time to weave in procs.
    Kind of. The problem with it now is that after F4 F4 F1 F4 F4 you have exactly 2400 mana left. You could use F4 and transpose, but that would be a dps loss because of how the mana server ticks are. It is better if that happens to just B3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    But that's already possible now? F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->F4->B3 is perfectly possible already while still having time to weave in procs.
    You need to Tranpose. You'll end up at exactly 2400 mana before the 5th Fire IV.
    Transposing has a slew of issues- if you Foul > Thunder 3 > Fire 3, you may get screwed out of the last mana tick which will be a disaster.
    If you B4 there, you may still get screwed out of the mana tick (not as disastrous as the previous case)- plus, doing this with a slow F3 is incredibly tight, and any movement will make you force to Tranpose again (and then your AF cycle is thrown into complete disarray) or lose UI and Enochian.
    All of these cases are horrid pps losses. At absolute best, it all aligns perfectly and even then you only get like 1 pps for your trouble. Absolutely not worth the risk.
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    Last edited by Galvuu; 07-17-2017 at 10:06 AM. Reason: lol meant Transpose, not Convert -.-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    You need to Tranpose. You'll end up at exactly 2400 mana before the 5th Fire IV.
    Transposing has a slew of issues- if you Foul > Thunder 3 > Fire 3, you may get screwed out of the last mana tick which will be a disaster.
    If you B4 there, you may still get screwed out of the mana tick (not as disastrous as the previous case)- plus, doing this with a slow F3 is incredibly tight, and any movement will make you force to Tranpose again (and then your AF cycle is thrown into complete disarray) or lose UI and Enochian.
    All of these cases are horrid pps losses. At absolute best, it all aligns perfectly and even then you only get like 1 pps for your trouble. Absolutely not worth the risk.
    Hm, i could have sworn i was doing 5xF4 several times without transposing (and without umbral heart) but maybe my memory is fuzzy
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    Last edited by Thela; 07-17-2017 at 05:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    Hm, i could have sworn i was doing 5xF4 several times without transposing (and without umbral heart) but maybe my memory is fuzzy
    600(F3)+2400X5(F4x5)+2880(F1) = 15480 (your max MP). Youd have to transpose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    Hm, i could have sworn i was doing 5xF4 several times without transposing (and without umbral heart) but maybe my memory is fuzzy
    Then your memory is fuzzy because without convert thrown in there 5 F4s require a transpose.
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