Why is NIN considered OP or highly viable?

[Sam26]

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wow no reason to get agressive immediately I just stated that the value of buffs may vary depending on the fight. Where did I say that TA is not a good buff??? I didn't mention the value of TA in a word beside in A2s where the buffs most likely surpass it.
(My first line, the other lines where general speaking)
I said that a Buff is much more reliable as a Debuff in general because of certain situation not speaking about TA vs Litany/embolden/brotherhood beside the example with a2s. I also just said that the value of Litany/Embolden/Brotherhood increases in A12s at the Addphase and A9s so where did I mention that TA is worse in this fights?

dunno...

[Oscura]

wow no reason to get agressive immediately I just stated that the value of buffs may vary depending on the fight. Where did I say that TA is not a good buff??? I didn't mention the value of TA in a word beside in A2s where the buffs most likely surpass it.
(My first line, the other lines where general speaking)
I said that a Buff is much more reliable as a Debuff in general because of certain situation not speaking about TA vs Litany/embolden/brotherhood beside the example with a2s. I also just said that the value of Litany/Embolden/Brotherhood increases in A12s at the Addphase and A9s so where did I mention that TA is worse in this fights?

dunno...

Of course buffs have advantageous situations. I thought that was obvious. Albeit it has absolutely nothing to do with my post. My post was specifically indicating that trick attack exceeds buffs in performance in a grand majority of situations. That much is true.

[Sam26]

Of course buffs have advantageous situations. I thought that was obvious.

I wouldn't be too sure about that, I have read several posts in boards/reddit and most people didn't seem to know that there is even a difference, sad but true ._. I even saw people believing that TA is a flat 10% raiddps boost.
TA is huge no question but it's also not entirety true that it's up on CD every 60 sec. in a realistic fight because you have to actually perform a Suiton Ninjutsu to be able to cast it and also be able to hit the target from rear.
It happens that your mudra CD doesn't line up to TA CD which can result in a delay which can vary. If you wait and delay your Ninjutsu for too long it may work but result in a personal dps loss.
Then there are also mechanics that force you to delay it (like the side switching in susano when a player gets the purple mark+lightning tether)
True North helps with such situation but more then often it will be on CD due to 150s... and if you don't hit it from rear it's rip TA so you have to delay it again in terms of safety which may result in loosing one TA for the whole fight in relation to the
encounter length.
(Don't know though why they kept TA as the only skill that work that way, they changed it for DRG/MNK in the past, that you keep the buff/debuff even when you miss positional and only lose the potency)

For example, the best SAM log Susanoo:
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/k94fg...bility=1000638

The Encounter length is 7:16 , people would expect that TA was 7 times up that fight but it was 6 times due to mechanics/delays

[Galvuu]

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I order to make this fair, you should subtract the downtime due to cutscenes and stuff.
Sure, NIN won't TA during transitions, but no one will do anything during transitions (other than lose buffs and get pissed off), so it's irrelevant.
Downtime is like what, 30s for Susie with all the sword nonsense and then the explosion?
So the length of the fight where you're actually fighting is like 6 minutes something.
For that duration, you'd expect 6 TAs, and that log has 6 TAs.

[Tsubaki75]

TA is huge no question but it's also not entirety true that it's up on CD every 60 sec. in a realistic fight because you have to actually perform a Suiton Ninjutsu to be able to cast it and also be able to hit the target from rear.
It happens that your mudra CD doesn't line up to TA CD which can result in a delay which can vary. If you wait and delay your Ninjutsu for too long it may work but result in a personal dps loss.

The only reason to not have trick up on cd is due to a phase shift or mech where the boss leaves or becomes invulnerable. Suiton should be used 9 sec or less before trick comes off cd since it has a 10 sec "hidden" buff. Even if you screw up and use a ninjutsu a little too late beforehand you still have Kassatsu and Ten Chi Jin to fall back on. If all 3 of these are on cd then you may need to give some thought as to better manage your ogcd's. As far as hitting the rear that shouldn't be an issue for any leveled ninja, however if ppl find it difficult use true north. Ninja has 2 "optional" slots since we don't need diversion and can go without bloodbath