Thank you SE

[aleph_null]

e: Also just read that SP is getting a damage buff? Seems strange but I guess it is our most used combo so fair enough.

I'm actually relieved they went down that route instead of buffing bb to generate 20 gauge like some people suggested in this forum lol.

[SunAurel]

DPS > Mitigation guys.

PLD is not going to be worth anything as soon as people geared up and PoA, DV, Intervention, etc. are just gnna lose their function with rising gear lvls.

The buffs to warrior and drk were needed to put them t on top of dmg again, but the nerf to pld was absolutely not because paladins group mitigation is of limited use

for what do you need PoA if your group just survives fine without? for what do you need divine veil? Intervention?

raids are cleared lastly through dps and wha(aka has the most dps) that one is going to be the best

[DWolfwood]

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This is nearly what I'm talking about. PLDs taking the rejoice for a step towards balance as a personal attack on themselves. PLD severely outclassed the other two tanks, that is fact and SE has acknowledged it. While nerf is simply one way of approaching balance, whether it gets nerfed or DRK/WAR get buffed to hell, it's the same difference.

I've been tanking in this game since 1.2 and following news and the communities closely ever since. I've seen plenty WARs say dumb things like "I'M GONNA MAN-MODE EVERYTHING", getting off on the fact that they were buffed to hell in HW. However, it's been usually humorous, and I have never seen the kind of self-righteous revel in being OP from any but those PLDs.

[DWolfwood]

PLD is not going to be worth anything...

It depends on the level of buffs that DRK/WAR receive. If it's that significant, then yes you're right and we'll be back where we were in HW, in need of balance still.

I really wish they'd balance the tanks like so:

WAR: Base case. "Normal DPS"
PLD: Defensive build. Makes up for lower DPS by taking less sustained damage, allowing Healers to make up the difference.
DRK: Offensive build. Makes up for taking more sustained damage by dealing more DPS.

Mitigation and utility should all just be means to achieve these ideals.

[Keepe]

War and Drk right now do more damage then PLD so this didn't really needed to be changed. Tanks are fairly balanced right now in terms of damage with dark and war doing slightly more dps overall then pld. People were saying paladin does high damage when using holy spirit but you have to take into account the whole fight not just 1 high burst phase of a rotation.

Wah...? Even if that was the case, WARs still have to do double the work than what PLD does just to be slightly higher than them or on par. Idk about DRK though, I haven't tried it yet

[SunAurel]

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I really wish they'd balance the tanks like so:

WAR: Base case. "Normal DPS"
PLD: Defensive build. Makes up for lower DPS by taking less sustained damage, allowing Healers to make up the difference.
DRK: Offensive build. Makes up for taking more sustained damage by dealing more DPS.

Mitigation and utility should all just be means to achieve these ideals.

yes I agree with you.

PLD should enable the party to do the damage they lack to do by themself if they want to go down this road, because group mitigation is always going to be optional if they want the content to be cleared without a pld present, so POA and DV etc. are no selling points for pld

as of right now, I can see pld just being relevant in raids when ppl just don't have the gear to survive certain stuff with ease yet, then it's all about dmg because you don't need the mitigation once you're geared up

pld is the only tank that loses its purpose once your party has good gear or good healers

[Soraki-Muppe]

I for one am happy for the changes to WAR, removing the gauge cost of changing stance will be nice.
When it comes to shake it off I am glad to see they are going to change it, the fact that it will take until 4.1 I have zero problems with since that means they are taking their time and the result is more likely to be good.

[Synestra]

I love the theme, but with how boring it is right now

How come it is boring? i kinda like DA spam fest but if this is another Low Blow whine thingy then cmon that shit was lame and boring filler skill, its the proc reset that was interesting not the Low Blow itself. With that said i would like to see that proc rest making comeback but instead affecting skills like C&S, now THAT would be sweet as hell.

[Dizzy_Derp]

Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

Pld didnt get needed it got the changes it needed. and I do main war regularly because it's what I like but I do play pld quite a bit and I am maining pld through savage because even with pld not doing the most damage IT'S FKN MANDARORY TO BRING A PLD. Doesnt matter that it doesnt have the highest damage, its in the saame place as war in 3.x. any and every serious group will have one it's way too fkn good. so stop complaining, pld would be in the god tier even if the removed holy spirit and requiescat completely.

[Derio]

DRK needs at least 1 more physical damage mitigation