Thank you SE

[DWolfwood]

PLD is not going to be worth anything...

It depends on the level of buffs that DRK/WAR receive. If it's that significant, then yes you're right and we'll be back where we were in HW, in need of balance still.

I really wish they'd balance the tanks like so:

WAR: Base case. "Normal DPS"
PLD: Defensive build. Makes up for lower DPS by taking less sustained damage, allowing Healers to make up the difference.
DRK: Offensive build. Makes up for taking more sustained damage by dealing more DPS.

Mitigation and utility should all just be means to achieve these ideals.

[SunAurel]

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I really wish they'd balance the tanks like so:

WAR: Base case. "Normal DPS"
PLD: Defensive build. Makes up for lower DPS by taking less sustained damage, allowing Healers to make up the difference.
DRK: Offensive build. Makes up for taking more sustained damage by dealing more DPS.

Mitigation and utility should all just be means to achieve these ideals.

yes I agree with you.

PLD should enable the party to do the damage they lack to do by themself if they want to go down this road, because group mitigation is always going to be optional if they want the content to be cleared without a pld present, so POA and DV etc. are no selling points for pld

as of right now, I can see pld just being relevant in raids when ppl just don't have the gear to survive certain stuff with ease yet, then it's all about dmg because you don't need the mitigation once you're geared up

pld is the only tank that loses its purpose once your party has good gear or good healers

[Soraki-Muppe]

I for one am happy for the changes to WAR, removing the gauge cost of changing stance will be nice.
When it comes to shake it off I am glad to see they are going to change it, the fact that it will take until 4.1 I have zero problems with since that means they are taking their time and the result is more likely to be good.

[Dizzy_Derp]

Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

Pld didnt get needed it got the changes it needed. and I do main war regularly because it's what I like but I do play pld quite a bit and I am maining pld through savage because even with pld not doing the most damage IT'S FKN MANDARORY TO BRING A PLD. Doesnt matter that it doesnt have the highest damage, its in the saame place as war in 3.x. any and every serious group will have one it's way too fkn good. so stop complaining, pld would be in the god tier even if the removed holy spirit and requiescat completely.

[Derio]

DRK needs at least 1 more physical damage mitigation

[Dizzy_Derp]

DRK needs at least 1 more physical damage mitigation

Yes it does, badly. And shadow wall needs to have it's CD reduced to two minutes. I really hope they do something about it on tuesday.

[Poison_Rose]

Yes it does, badly. And shadow wall needs to have it's CD reduced to two minutes. I really hope they do something about it on tuesday.

I was just explaining to my girlfriend today that it's the weakest of the three "big" mitigation cooldowns. It would be nice if they either reduced the cooldown, gave it a secondary effect, or both! I'm not picky.

[InfiniDragon]

Someone else mentioned it before and I agreed, Blood Price getting a small mitigation increase added to it ala Third Eye would be great. Then they'd have Blood Price in tank stance as their "passive mitigation" option because they lost Foresight and Anticipation alone sucks compared to DADD + Passenger.

Another option I was thinking would be to make Dark Arts Power Slash add a small defense buff to just the DRK for a sort of long period (like say, a 5% buff that lasts a minute), along with it's enmity bonus. That way it wouldn't have to be spammed and could be just enough mitigation to act as DRK's "shield block" while also playing into more interesting uses of Dark Arts. If I had my way, any move that takes Blood gauge would also self heal for an amount also, but both of those changes might be overdoing it.

[Falar]

So it is confirmed STR is coming to our accessories?

YES

Where can I see this.

[Falar]

Hmm it says "minimum".

Hoping this is at least 1/2 the VIT.....or if it is lower we can still meld strength (i.e., it isn't capped).