A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Paladinleeds]

+no craft at 60, let alone 70. It shows no crafting took place during 3.4, those items required a lot of different things from different time periods. SB is a bit better and I do see the need to use low level stuff to help the economy move more but such ideas conflict with a situation where there is a huge problem with having enough inventory space. I am sure the person you quoting does not glam much as well.

You know why I'm so cynical about anything happening that would directly reduce their profits from the extra retainers? I was training to be a software developer, was asked why I wanted to be a software dev. I said to help people, improve their lives, etc. I was told that was the wrong answer and it was too altruistic and that the main reason I should be a software developer was for profit. I got told I was doing it wrong for wanting to put people first. SE makes the sort of money that the companies I'd have been working for (since I was training through a training & recruitment agency) also make, when I was told that approach was wrong. Again, I agree, but I think even if everyone unified together, it wouldn't happen. I have 4 retainers myself and do struggle with inventory, but I refuse to get any more due to financial reasons. I'd love to see this happen, but after being flat out told I was wrong for wanting to put people before profit, you can understand why I can't see the shareholders letting this happen.

EDIT: Now that being said, if a convincing argument could be put forward about how this would generate the company even more profit, we could have a pretty good chance at making this work.

[Niwashi]

I was training to be a software developer, was asked why I wanted to be a software dev. I said to help people, improve their lives, etc. I was told that was the wrong answer and it was too altruistic and that the main reason I should be a software developer was for profit. I got told I was doing it wrong for wanting to put people first.

I'm sorry you got some bad advice from somebody too cynical to be giving out advice to anyone. Your original answer was far superior to the one you were told. Internal motivation is far more effective than external reward at producing success. Those who are just after profit to the exclusion of all else rarely get any. The most successful people tend to be those who care deeply about what they're doing.

[Princess_Momoka]

I'm sorry you got some bad advice from somebody too cynical to be giving out advice to anyone. Your original answer was far superior to the one you were told. Internal motivation is far more effective than external reward at producing success. Those who are just after profit to the exclusion of all else rarely get any. The most successful people tend to be those who care deeply about what they're doing.

I do agree but sadly most people aim for the short run and not the long run, so it is likely Paladinleeds has a point. It is very sad for me to hear things likely work that way in the mass. Yoshi-p seems like a people person while im sure he gets pressure from stockholders.

[Paladinleeds]

Speaking of "not enough"... what is with this darn character limit?

But back on topic...

I do agree but sadly most people aim for the short run and not the long run, so it is likely Paladinleeds has a point. It is very sad for me to hear things likely work that way in the mass. Yoshi-p seems like a people person while im sure he gets pressure from stockholders.

Yeah, I agree. I mean I'm sure if it were up to Yoshi-P we'd have extra inventory being added as quickly as possible to alleviate this, but it's those pesky shareholders. As you said, people generally aim for the short run and not the long run, especially shareholders. And I do apologise for upsetting you. That being said, you do have my full backing, but I doubt that'll be enough unfortunately. I tend to be quite... direct in how I phrase things (due to how I process them), and I know I don't always say what people want to hear. And yeah, I will readily admit I don't know first hand the problems surrounding crafters and inventory space, but I've read that it's bad, so I will support them, but at the same time I felt I needed to say my piece given my experiences as a software dev, and what I think is likely going to be the case. Trust me when I say I had to restrain myself from giving that person what for when they told me what they did though. Holding my tongue was NOT easy!

I'm sorry you got some bad advice from somebody too cynical to be giving out advice to anyone. Your original answer was far superior to the one you were told. Internal motivation is far more effective than external reward at producing success. Those who are just after profit to the exclusion of all else rarely get any. The most successful people tend to be those who care deeply about what they're doing.

Veering myself off-topic again here, but I'll give this one an answer. I am actually still interested in becoming a software developer, but planning to do some personal projects instead, which can be released under the original reasoning for me wanting to be a software developer. Help build some experience, and help people along the way. I guess you could say everyone's a winner there. In accordance with the post from Momoka though, I think the developers and producers tend to be quite long run focused, about making it the very best they can, but shareholders focus on the short run, which is max profit in min time.

[Teryaani]

Speaking of "not enough"... what is with this darn character limit?

Tell me about it. That and the post limit are anachronisms that can go away.

Yeah, I agree. I mean I'm sure if it were up to Yoshi-P we'd have extra inventory being added as quickly as possible to alleviate this, but it's those pesky shareholders.

That's part of it. The change will impact a revenue stream, so it's unpopular at the top. There is another insidious part of it...inertia. When trying to put a fix in for a problem (housing, glamour), sometimes the "bailing wire and duct tape" approach gets used and gets really hard to untangle later. I think we're seeing both here.

[Lycieus]

How are they "working on a solution" when all they do is keep adding to the problem?? (like the 3 sands from the same node example I gave, or the new delta currencies and the Regional Folklore tokens. I want to know why they keep ADDING to the problem and not fixing it.

How? I clearly have no idea, I don't work for SE. I'm merely paraphrasing one of Yoshi's answers from the last live letter.

[Naunet]

I mean I'm sure if it were up to Yoshi-P we'd have extra inventory being added as quickly as possible to alleviate this, but it's those pesky shareholders.

Honestly, we don't really have any evidence of this. Even when confronted directly on the issue, dev responses have consistently indicated that they simply don't understand the requests being made. Look at the housing system, the glamour system, the dye system, the fact that they continue to implement currencies that take up inventory space... And then when pressed, their "fixes" never actually address the real problem, or they handwave it as no big deal.

I'm not so sure Yoshi himself considers these things priority, "shareholders" or not.

[Vanfrano]

Yeah, I agree. I mean I'm sure if it were up to Yoshi-P we'd have extra inventory being added as quickly as possible to alleviate this, but it's those pesky shareholders.

I laughed

[Lycieus]

I'm not so sure Yoshi himself considers these things priority, "shareholders" or not.

At least we know he finally seems to understand that glamour is a priority for players. I'm extrapolating from his exasperated "I know" in the last live letter.

[savageink]

But people are willing to pay for it (and yes I'm part of the problem too). If they fix the inventory problems and offer more space for free, I wouldn't need those extra retainers and that's lost revenue for the company, and I bet I'm far from the only one there. If they tried that their shareholders would have them fired on the spot. But let's say they did it and doubled the sub fee for everyone, that could work, but then people would complain about "I don't need all this extra space, why should I have to pay extra for my sub?" - because yes, if SE takes out the renting option for retainers, expect the sub fee to go up for everyone to account for the lost revenue. SE is a business. It has one purpose. Make as much profit as possible.

This argument is not particularly good. It ignores several other key issues. One being that some of us will not actually pay for additional retainers, we will simply wait for them to fix it or leave when we can't participate in the game to our satisfaction because of the issue. That's lost revenue. We don't buy things we might want from the cash shop because we have nowhere to put them. That's lost revenue. Some people won't buy things from the cash shop on principle because of the subscription, and the storage problem has made the game unplayable to a certain extent for them, more subs lost, more lost revenue. Shareholders aren't going to care if they fix storage if it makes the cash shop more viable, if they are even making enough from additional retainers to make a dent in the bottom line of this game's ledger.