A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Princess_Momoka]

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Funny how you drive the thread off topic while ignoring counter points in why you do not have issues with inventory. I guess it only proves the point true, just because you have something at 70 does not give you the right to quote other's inventory problems with crafting as hording. With that said, your post has been reported.

[RichardButte]

A glamour log would fix soooooo much here...

[Naunet]

If they fix the inventory problems and offer more space for free, I wouldn't need those extra retainers and that's lost revenue for the company, and I bet I'm far from the only one there. If they tried that their shareholders would have them fired on the spot. But let's say they did it and doubled the sub fee for everyone, that could work, but then people would complain about "I don't need all this extra space, why should I have to pay extra for my sub?"

We do not need players making this excuse for SE. It only hurts us.

They do not need to double the stupid sub. They need to do what every other AAA MMO does and NOT RENT INVENTORY SPACE. Even in free-to-play games, where the cash shop is their lifeblood, do you not see this!

Not fixing the inventory issue - especially as it relates to glamour - is a HUGE turn off for me and other players. The likelihood of me being subbed in the future drops with every new outfit they release.

[Paladinleeds]

Willing? no, they pay for it because they(we/me) HAVE TO to be functional in the game. People are approaching more and more to that line of simply quitting because of lack of room for stuff.

I was more referring to that they're willing to pay for it so as to be functional. However, if what you say is true and people are getting to the point of saying "Stuff it, not bothering anymore" and quitting, then that pendulum swing could change matters. Unfortunately, given how SE is, I think that it'll take a mass exodus of people who purchased additional retainers to quit for them to change their ways, if even that would be enough. Instead I worry that SE would just have the game shut down instead if that happened. I would love better space efficiency myself, but I don't believe SE are going to do it, because of the shareholders.

We do not need players making this excuse for SE. It only hurts us.

They do not need to double the stupid sub. They need to do what every other AAA MMO does and NOT RENT INVENTORY SPACE. Even in free-to-play games, where the cash shop is their lifeblood, do you not see this!

Not fixing the inventory issue - especially as it relates to glamour - is a HUGE turn off for me and other players. The likelihood of me being subbed in the future drops with every new outfit they release.

I am not trying to excuse SE. In fact I am in agreement with you that is is bad. But let's be fair here, the shareholders will not let SE lose that flow of income now that it has been established, without some way to make up the cost. Other AAA MMOs don't count as far as the shareholders are concerned. Just their profits.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Funny how you drive the thread off topic while ignoring counter points in why you do not have issues with inventory. I guess it only proves the point true, just because you have something at 70 does not give you the right to quote other's inventory problems with crafting as hording. With that, your post has been reported.

Like I said before, which you promptly said was not how crafters do things, is that I gather mats when I need them, as do all of my crafting friends. But I guess we don't know what we are talking about since we don't agree with you.

Said friend already has all his crafters at 70, but i guess that doesnt matter since hes not a hardcore crafter according to you.

Also, reporting me for asking if you are using another alt, when you already use 2 (3?) others to bump your own threads to look like other people are agreeing with you is funny. You are upset about having to pay more for retainers, so instead, you give them active sub counts.

[Princess_Momoka]

I was more referring to that they're willing to pay for it so as to be functional. However, if what you say is true and people are getting to the point of saying "Stuff it, not bothering anymore" and quitting, then that pendulum swing could change matters. Unfortunately, given how SE is, I think that it'll take a mass exodus of people who purchased additional retainers to quit for them to change their ways, if even that would be enough. Instead I worry that SE would just have the game shut down instead if that happened. I would love better space efficiency myself, but I don't believe SE are going to do it, because of the shareholders.


I am not trying to excuse SE. In fact I am in agreement with you that is is bad. But let's be fair here, the shareholders will not let SE lose that flow of income now that it has been established, without some way to make up the cost. Other AAA MMOs don't count as far as the shareholders are concerned. Just their profits.

Kind of self defeating don't you think? Not fixing this means no more profits, and if you said was true may lead the game shutting down if enough quit over this? Very sad.

[Maku]

What inventory space issues? I admit I have 5 retainers but I horde all my gathered materials to keep on hand of all my crafting and I still am not in dire straights.

[Naunet]

I am not trying to excuse SE. In fact I am in agreement with you that is is bad. But let's be fair here, the shareholders will not let SE lose that flow of income now that it has been established, without some way to make up the cost. Other AAA MMOs don't count as far as the shareholders are concerned. Just their profits.

No, you may agree with me, but posts like yours are entirely unhelpful because they do provide excuses for SE. We need to be wholly unified. And yes, ideally you really should drop your extra retainers, but at least being unified in forum voice would help.

What inventory space issues? I admit I have 5 retainers but I horde all my gathered materials to keep on hand of all my crafting and I still am not in dire straights.

Pays for extra retainers... claims there's no inventory space issue....

[Maku]

Pays for extra retainers... claims there's no inventory space issue....

Mainly have the extra retainers for the Market Board sale spaces, but there isn't an issue with storage space because they gave you an option of having more with more retainers. Sure it is pay for it but it is still the option they gave you. Like it and deal with it or quit.

[Princess_Momoka]

No, you may agree with me, but posts like yours are entirely unhelpful because they do provide excuses for SE. We need to be wholly unified. And yes, ideally you really should drop your extra retainers, but at least being unified in forum voice would help.



Pays for extra retainers... claims there's no inventory space issue....

+no craft at 60, let alone 70. It shows no crafting took place during 3.4, those items required a lot of different things from different time periods. SB is a bit better and I do see the need to use low level stuff to help the economy move more but such ideas conflict with a situation where there is a huge problem with having enough inventory space. I am sure the person you quoting does not glam much as well.

Mainly have the extra retainers for the Market Board sale spaces, but there isn't an issue with storage space because they gave you an option of having more with more retainers. Sure it is pay for it but it is still the option they gave you. Like it and deal with it or quit.

You are talking to people that take crafting and glam seriously and have space problems with 8 retainers who regularly NPC items that sell for 5k or less on the market boards, due to room issues. (I think that would be a lot of lost gil to some to do that regularly)

I read the whole thread, the complaints of not having enough space come from people that do a lot in the game and take it seriously, like having glams for each job, I believe one poster said they knew someone who had full relics and all jobs had 260+ ilevel due to mixing different 260/265/270 gear so each job had its own glam? (something like that, I forgot exactly what they had, but was impressive to me, all the alex gear, and so on) To be be able to glam like that, it strains your retainer, since not everything that should be stored in the armoire is able to, like event items or mog station items. In the event you can store something there but use a rare dye on it, like dyes that cost 200-500k or 1 dollar on mog station rare, you really expect people to put that in a storage that wipes that away? Also to a person that did glam like that and had all jobs at 60, now leveling in SB, you are constantly sealing gear and regaining gear as you level the different jobs because you simply do not have space to hold all that gear when you go to level a different job that used gear you used 2 jobs ago. I guess you can blame, why not level all healers first, then other roles that have shared gear but then you are forcing a play style on someone. That person may want to play with different jobs because they like them more and enjoy something more.

At the end of the day I do not think one should be trying to label people as horders and stop a needed game change just because they do not play the game and progress as much as others do.