Total Eclipse after all the fuss about pali aoe never see anyone use it why?

[Thela]

I use it quite a lot. But it would be nice if SE would add Enmity to it

No definitely not! Using flash once in awhile is really not that big a deal and gives your tp a chance to restore a little.

[Deceptus]

One or two adds isn't worth total eclipsing. Think you need a minimum of 5 mobs for it to be worthwhile. Anything less and it's a dps loss

What single target ability other than Holy spirit can hit for 500 potency? 4 or more mobs and it's efficient.

[RubenSnizzle]

Its not that great. For what pld already has, idk why they included a skill like that. What ppl wanted was a spammable aoe move w/ enmity prior to 40, cause it was annoying how pld had shield oath at 40, but they fixed that with SB.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

This thread simply boggles the mind.

[Aeeninwen_Taldel]

I only use it if I know I've got enough hits on the mob that I won't lose hate with. I've had people tell me to use it, but when DPS are hitting for so hard, I ignored the request to keep hate. (Before they buffed Tanks, I haven't had time to do many dungeons since then)

[Thela]

I only use it if I know I've got enough hits on the mob that I won't lose hate with. I've had people tell me to use it, but when DPS are hitting for so hard, I ignored the request to keep hate. (Before they buffed Tanks, I haven't had time to do many dungeons since then)

Use flash every 10-15 seconds and total eclipse otherwise and you'll not lose aggro for sure.

[Shurrikhan]

It's not so much that the skill is underpowered, it's just inefficient. Total Eclipse doesn't have added enmity, while Flash and Circle of Scorn do. A paladin's go-to AoE enmity spam is still Flash because it means you hold hate for longer. Total Eclipse is alright for contributing damage to trash, but does nothing to keep enemies focused on you.

Slaying accessories + Shield Oath will still give you 325 enmity-potency per GCD.

DPS no longer have Enhanced Action Damage I/II (10/20%); if you're using the same accessories and item level, what you see, potency-wise, is what you get.

Until facing burst AoE at 70, one need only use Flash per duration, rather than wasting its mitigation.

As a PLD, it almost infuriates me when leveling alts to see a PLD around 100% TP in a 13-mob pull when the physical DPS have long since drained themselves, Goad/Tactician included, because they insist on only ever using Flash.

Worse still, I've had... 8 dungeons (yes, I keep a tally on a flashcard by my keyboard), just in the course of leveling Monk, in which a Paladin would use no more than his ARR skills, give or take Clemency. No Goring, no Royal, no Total Eclipse. There is no excuse for that.

It just simply doesn't do enough damage, to be quite honest.

That is ridiculous.

Total Eclipse 37.5n (as in, per target) pps, compared to a fixed 121 pps available only every 21 seconds or 86 pps damage filler—both of these without any added enmity—or a 72 pps enmity filler.
On three targets, Goring Blade spread is superior if any only if , as long as you're going to get an average of at least 18 seconds of duration on each. Beyond that target count or below that DoT duration, Total Eclipse is superior.

The period in which you're burning TP on Total Eclipse is also the period over which lower maximum HP mobs are trimmed out, leaving fewer targets between which to rotate Goring Blade. And there's always Clemency spam while the WHM/AST AoEs or the SCH resets DoTs to Bane if you're completely bottomed out (TE having been more TP-efficient, even, at over 6 targets), which should not be the case unless your DPS are performing rather poorly.

One or two adds isn't worth total eclipsing. Think you need a minimum of 5 mobs for it to be worthwhile. Anything less and it's a dps loss

5 mobs is 550 base potency per GCD. Continuously until TP-starved. Your combos stopped being competitive with that at 3 targets unless DoTing a different targets each time with (as above) at least 6 DoT ticks each. It is enormously powerful by comparison.

I was seeing 300-600s pop up on the screen when I used it. Big whoop.

Would you rather have 5 sets of 450, or 1 set of 2100. Your numbers are outliers, but even given what you've posted, the single-target option would still be a DPS loss.

Also... Flash does not deal damage except through whatever additional healer GCDs the reduced enemy hit rate may provide. Spamming it, therefore, as a primary enmity generator wastes what little DPS it would give.

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Tl;dr: If DPS are semi-focusing certain mobs during AoE pulls, Gore them and fill with Total Eclipse. When there are 3 mobs, Gore all that will not die in fewer than 18 seconds, and then fill with Total Eclipse until there are 2 or fewer. At that point, change your filler to Royal Authority on either, if neither is being ripped from you and the healer will not need to waste GCDs to heal you; otherwise the lower HP one for a quick finish and reduced damage taken or healing GCDs / CDs required or the one DPS are ripping from you.

[Maeka]

It just simply doesn't do enough damage, to be quite honest. Last time I did a dungeon and I did some tests... I was seeing 300-600s pop up on the screen when I used it. Big whoop.

It doesn't even budge the mobs' HP meters whatsoever, and it sucks your TP dry like nobody's business. At 110 TP cost, you don't last long if you spam it. Instead of doing 600, 400, and a bunch of 300s to a pack of enemies, you could instead unleash a what again, 1500 Fast Blade + 1800ish Riot Blade + 3,000 or more Royal Authority to a single mob. Or split it up between mobs if you're concerned with losing hate on one of them (which should not be happening because you have Flash, lol).

So, I'll use it if I have some extra GCDs, but usually I'd rather Single-Target for more damage instead. I might throw one or two of them in a large pull after Requiscat (or however you spell the thing) since that amps up the damage a bit (especially if FoF is also up).

But without any buffs? Nah. Too weak.

And I'm not one of those paladins who ignores skills, lol. No, I use my RAs, Clemencies, Sheltrons, etc. Goring Blade... eh, I keep forgetting about that. Usually I save it for bosses. GB is not something I've found to be all that effective on most trash mobs, because the thing dies before even half of the DoT was applied. An RA would have been better, I'd think.

[Furious]

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And I'm not one of those paladins who ignores skills, lol. No, I use my RAs, Clemencies, Sheltrons, etc. Goring Blade... eh, I keep forgetting about that. Usually I save it for bosses. GB is not something I've found to be all that effective on most trash mobs, because the thing dies before even half of the DoT was applied. An RA would have been better, I'd think.

Royal authority is 360 potency. Goring blade is 250 potency plus 60 per tick. It takes only 2 ticks before goring blade outdamages royal authority, which can happen in between 3 and 6 seconds depending on server ticks. "Half the dot" is another 1.5 ticks later.

In general, people underestimate dot value compared with the direct counterpart, goring blade is no different. Full goring blade is 670 potency but 250 of that is frontloaded.

[DacienSanderon]

TE spam ftw! I goring or ra on 2 but 3+ it's te all the way.