Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed

[Dizzy_Derp]

Wonder how much of these tough guys "lower your ilvl [] to avoid shinryu."

You got it twisted, these guys arent trying to avoid shinryu, they're trying to avoid the shit players who can't clear it it's one imof the funnest fights in the game. Personally I love getting it in roulette it's fun af.
And the entirety of that thread was people saying the fight was in a good place cause it is. It's perfectly balanced especially for being the last quest in an and by far the best fight in the expac so far. Ppl like you crying need are the core problem in this community. You just want everything handed to you and don't want to work for it so now you want we to bail your no skill lazy asses out. Screw that, don't ruin the fight for everyone in the game just because a few people suck. It will ruin everyone else's enjoyment. We don't need players at endgame who can't do the simple as he'll mechs of shinryu anyways.

[Vexander]

I shall share my First Time impression of this dungeon.

It sucked.

Before I even que'd, I watched a few videos, because everyone was arguing about it being too hard and needing a nerf, or needing to remain where it is. When we get in, I found, as usual, the video helped lots. I didn't make many mistakes. Most of them were more a result of not being about to zoom out my camera enough to see enough of the field to know exactly where to go when a big AOE was dropping (that second phase, after the adds one with the new platform and that first AOE that takes up all of it except tiny pieces of the corners). Almost all of the mechanics were recycled stuff from other primals and fights. Tidal Wave? Ahk Morn? Judgment Bolt? All very familiar, and I knew what to do for each.

No, what sucked, was how the TINIEST bit of Lag (and the servers have been getting hit with DDOS attacks since Stormblood launched) on even a SINGLE player, results in virtually a guaranteed wipe. People waste time raising a lagging player. Tanks don't get healed. DPS checks don't pass, heal checks don't pass, a tank gets swept off the edge of the platform and the other gets battered by the wings, etc...

It's terrible. Its not the mechanics that make this fight impossible, its the LAG.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

No, what sucked, was how the TINIEST bit of Lag (and the servers have been getting hit with DDOS attacks since Stormblood launched) on even a SINGLE player, results in virtually a guaranteed wipe. People waste time raising a lagging player. Tanks don't get healed. DPS checks don't pass, heal checks don't pass, a tank gets swept off the edge of the platform and the other gets battered by the wings, etc...

It's terrible. Its not the mechanics that make this fight impossible, its the LAG.

Sorry but that's a load of rubbish. We did this fight two days ago and nearly wiped, twice having to use 2 full limit breaks to raise the party and we STILL cleared it. Done many runs where more than one person has died including both healers at the same time. I can't comment on a dps check as I haven't seen it enrage.

DPS check is a bit early on into the fight. Gotta kill the adds fast, or else the AOE Shinryu does can wipe the raid.

Ok sorry forgot about this one, although I still wouldn't say this is a harsh dps check.

[Vexander]

Sorry but that's a load of rubbish. We did this fight two days ago and nearly wiped, twice having to use 2 full limit breaks to raise the party. We STILL cleared it. Done many runs where more than one person has died including both healers at the same time. I can't comment on a dps check as I haven't seen it enrage.

DPS check is a bit early on into the fight. Gotta kill the adds fast, or else the AOE Shinryu does can wipe the raid.

Ok sorry forgot about this one, although I still wouldn't say this is a harsh dps check.

Harsh enough when half the DPS lagged into death and keep lagging into death.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Harsh enough when half the DPS lagged into death and keep lagging into death.

Maybe it's different on your server, as I'm not seeing this on Ragnarok. I have done this loads of times with randoms and with my FC. Yes I have seen it wipe but not due to lag or even low dps.

The reason I see the wipe is people not going to the safe spots and ultimately dying that is not a harsh dps check. To me a dps check is people not being able to clear it due to low gear etc.

[Vexander]

Maybe it's different on your server, as I'm not seeing this on Ragnarok. I have done this loads of times with randoms and with my FC. Yes I have seen it wipe but not due to lag or even low dps.

The reason I see the wipe is people not going to the safe spots and ultimately dying that is not a harsh dps check. To me a dps check is people not being able to clear it due to low gear etc.

Fair enough, but I tend to see Lag as the issue. People aren't in the safety spots soon enough and all. By the time a group is getting close to finishing the fight by memory after several wipes, the timer has pretty much run out, or a healer/tank leaves which prompts an avalanche of people leaving. Again, I'd expect this of an EX version of the fight. Story Mode content should be much more straight forward than this, though to be honest, I don't see a way or nerfing Shinryu to Story Mode levels without really taking away the essence/immersion the fight brings...

I mean, what do you do? Remove the knock back effect of Tidal Wave? Nerf Shinryu's AOE damage? The size of the AOEs? Downsizing the fight doesn't feel like the right move, but it is certainly unforgiving.

[stanrir]

it's an easy fight that you can clear with no problem with a ton of mistakes, the only thing this fight does is keeps bads out of my expert roulette, omega runs, and ex primal pf groups XD

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Fair enough, but I tend to see Lag as the issue. People aren't in the safety spots soon enough and all. By the time a group is getting close to finishing the fight by memory after several wipes, the timer has pretty much run out, or a healer/tank leaves which prompts an avalanche of people leaving. Again, I'd expect this of an EX version of the fight. Story Mode content should be much more straight forward than this, though to be honest, I don't see a way or nerfing Shinryu to Story Mode levels without really taking away the essence/immersion the fight brings...

I mean, what do you do? Remove the knock back effect of Tidal Wave? Nerf Shinryu's AOE damage? The size of the AOEs? Downsizing the fight doesn't feel like the right move, but it is certainly unforgiving.

If lag is an issue, Why are others on your server/datacentre not complaining about lag in the fight? Only going by others players in the thread.

[Seoulstar]

No wonder cars don't exist in this game..way too many barely understand simple mechanics..

[Sanctify]

Ppl who bitch about ex primals now and to come obviously never did thordan ex when it was relevant. Fucking grow a pair geeze not all of us like playimg a game on the easiest difficulty setting ffs. If this was ff11 in its prime you ppl crying would probably be the ones still stuck in the fucking dunes. My point being. Learn your job amd the foghts mechanics and you'll quickly realize nothing in this game is difficult except for having to shit players. Go ahead call me an ass but i know im right lol.