[SPOILERS] Stormblood Ending

[Theodric]

What matters is Yotsuyu's perspective when discussing Yotsuyu. Nobody else's. She is justified from her perspective.

Was what she did needlessly cruel? Certainly, though it would not have happened if she had not been horrifically mistreated. Were innocents harmed? Yes - and that's horrible. Again, though...it's a case of cause and effect. If the root cause is not addressed then another Yotsuyu is inevitably going to be created. It's rare for somebody to act out in the way that Yotsuyu did on a whim. When someone is mistreated again and again and again it shouldn't be a terrible surprise if they choose to lash out at those they deem guilty and even those they deem guilty by association.

[Rosenoire]

What matters is Yotsuyu's perspective when discussing Yotsuyu. Nobody else's. She is justified from her perspective.

Was what she did needlessly cruel? Certainly, though it would not have happened if she had not been horrifically mistreated. Were innocents harmed? Yes - and that's horrible. Again, though...it's a case of cause and effect. If the root cause is not addressed then another Yotsuyu is inevitably going to be created. It's rare for somebody to act out in the way that Yotsuyu did on a whim. When someone is mistreated again and again and again it shouldn't be a terrible surprise if they choose to lash out at those they deem guilty and even those they deem guilty by association.

If Yotsuyu's perspective is the only one that matters, then why are we even having this conversation? Of course she thinks she's justified. Some Domans were horrible to her; all Domans, regardless of age, status, or anything else, must pay, because as far as Yotsuyu is concerned, the only relevant thing is her pain and how she deals with it.

As someone seeing her actions without being inside her head, I can say that being abused makes her actions understandable.It in no way, shape or form excuses or justifies her actions. People who are bullied or abused often go on to bully and abuse others. Of course that's understandable. Sympathetic, even. That doesn't make it right. You seem to be trying to argue that Yotsuyu's victimization justifies her actions, which robs her of any agency or responsibility for her choice in how to deal with her trauma.

Zenos, it's implied, was damaged by whatever experiments were done on him. That doesn't make his actions acceptable. I'm not sure why you think the damage done to Yotsuyu makes her murders and torture any more excusable than Zenos'.

[iluvOP]

What matters is Yotsuyu's perspective when discussing Yotsuyu. Nobody else's. She is justified from her perspective.

Honestly I love Yotsuyu a bunch. Not only because she makes something feel funny in my pants, but also her character is just really interesting. Its rare to see characters who so unashamedly enjoy bringing misery on others due to their past. Feelings of betrayal and unfairness mount up in quite amazing ways when it comes to her. I really hope we could hear/see some more stories from her past, perhaps something akin to a change of heart later on. Who knows. I just really hope that Square does something with her character.

[Alleo]

So if I am reading this right, a person is justified in their view that they can kill a whole town, if that person was tortured by a handful of neighbors? So would you be fine if you, your parents, all your other loves ones and many more would be killed or tortured just because a bad person decided to torture someone, which you dont even know?

Yes her past is bad. Yes all those people involved should be punished..but no the rest of Doma is not at fault for that. You cant just free someone from their crimes just because they had a bad past. If everyone would react like her we would have a society full of revenge, murder and other horrible things..thankfully people like that dont get a free pass and land in prison for their crimes..

Even if we see it from her perspective she is still not justified simply because she does not only torture those that did those bad things to her but also people that she had never met before that. I mean if you argue like that, there will never be a character that is not justified for the stuff they are doing..

[Cilia]

Even if we see it from [Yotsuyu's] perspective she is still not justified simply because she does not only torture those that did those bad things to her but also people that she had never met before that. I mean if you argue like that, there will never be a character that is not justified for the stuff they are doing..

Thank you!

This is the core of what I'm getting at.

What matters is Yotsuyu's perspective when discussing Yotsuyu. Nobody else's. She is justified from her perspective.

Everyone is justified from their own perspective. This is not an excuse for the things Yotsuyu did. Self-justification does not give one the right to torture and murder others - especially those who were not complicit or even born yet. To claim that nobody else's perspective matters when discussing Yotsuyu means that her actions' impact on others does not matter, which is false.

Yotsuyu's belief is that because nobody helped her with her traumatic past, then all Doma - perhaps all Hydaelyn - must have it out for her; therefore torturing and killing whoever she wishes as retribution for the trauma she endured, even if those she is torturing and killing in no way, shape, or form contributed to said trauma, is perfectly acceptable. This is false. The world is impartial and indiscriminate - to believe otherwise is nonsense.

Yotsuyu thinks all of Doma is out to get her just because a few people didn't treat her right... she's nothing but a little kid throwing a tantrum.

Speaking of Gosetsu, I'm still waiting for proof that he was complicit, indirectly or otherwise, in Yotsuyu's mistreatment. Otherwise you are presuming guilt, and that is not fair.

Zenos, it's implied, was damaged by whatever experiments were done on him.

I thought Zenos only got a "perfected" version of the treatment Fordola underwent? Unless I missed something. His battle lust, ruthlessness, and cruelty were simply... parts of who he was. If we're going to drag real-world psychology into this, remember that it isn't wholly nature or nurture - it's a combination of the two, and a dog of war was simply what Zenos was and was raised to be.

[Grayve]

Do they ever say exactly what experiments Xenos had done? I mean it's clear he is a Resonant but he's had his powers much longer, and presumably the early procedures weren't as refined as the ones done to Angry Dark Reflection Lyse. Also, his dad stated he is a monster snd not fit to rule, but my presumption was the expiriment made him a monster. If he was the only leader that supported the expirements I suppose that leans toward the always a monster idea.

[Daralii]

Do they ever say exactly what experiments Xenos had done? I mean it's clear he is a Resonant but he's had his powers much longer, and presumably the early procedures weren't as refined as the ones done to Angry Dark Reflection Lyse. Also, his dad stated he is a monster snd not fit to rule, but my presumption was the expiriment made him a monster. If he was the only leader that supported the expirements I suppose that leans toward the always a monster idea.

The scene with Varis was immediately preceded by Lyse saying that Zenos wasn't born a monster, and that he was nurtured into one. Varis probably always intended for Zenos to be a weapon instead of an heir.

[Theodric]

Aulus - the scientist responsible for much of the experimentation throughout 4.0 - was not a man who Varis approved of, nor did many within Garlemald's capital. He said as much himself and it was only due to Zenos' interest in Aulus' theories that the Resonant and other experiments came to be. Varis has also been established as a pragmatic and honourable individual - he defended Regula against those who spoke out against him and allowed Regula to rise up through the ranks due to his own merit rather than because the pair were good friends.

Zenos was not operating for the betterment of Garlemald. He made that clear with his own words.

[Yuella]

Maybe Varis wants Zenos dead because his agenda is not in the best interest of Garlemald

[Rosenoire]

Aulus - the scientist responsible for much of the experimentation throughout 4.0 - was not a man who Varis approved of, nor did many within Garlemald's capital. He said as much himself and it was only due to Zenos' interest in Aulus' theories that the Resonant and other experiments came to be. Varis has also been established as a pragmatic and honourable individual - he defended Regula against those who spoke out against him and allowed Regula to rise up through the ranks due to his own merit rather than because the pair were good friends.

Zenos was not operating for the betterment of Garlemald. He made that clear with his own words.

This part in the scene with Varis calls that into question:

Elidibus: You do not mourn his loss? …You surprise me, Your Radiance. He was your son and heir…and an irreplaceable test subject.

Varis zos Galvus: I know what he was. Monsters are not made for thrones.

That sure sounds like Varis worked with the Ascians and used his own son as a test case.