Silly tank melds

[KalinOrthos]

That's great. But, you should know that there's a good chance the SB meta will again steer tanks out of tank stance after getting initial hate.

I obviously can't see the future, but it seems like a solid bet.

Well then.

Fuck the meta.

Great, glad that's settled, where do we go from here?

[dragonseth07]

Well then.

Fuck the meta.

Great, glad that's settled, where do we go from here?

Full circle, as it turns out. Back to the point of there being a strong sentiment among the playerbase that optimized play is for the birds, so to speak.

[GDFletcher]

Well then.

Fuck the meta.

Great, glad that's settled, where do we go from here?

Too right, players need to get the META idea out of their noggins and start playing the game like intelligent players they are, no wonder some players are put off from the class, when you have YouTubers telling them "meta this, meta that and meta other" .... No - learn the fights, have fun and deal with the wipes! It is called progression for a reason.

If someone put Vitality in all their gear (if possible) then fine, if someone sticks Determination in all their meld slots, then fine again. It isn't up to me, you or anyone including those that sit behind a camera to tell you how you should play you character, if you are able to complete a dungeon against the grain of it all then good for you! Be unique in a game that pigeonholes everything.

Kindda miss actual Talent trees

[Yurihyuga]

Wasn't it proven that stacking 1k-1.5k tenacity results in 5% less damage recieved and 5% more damage dealt or something like that? Not exactly stellar but far from worthless.

It was proven that you deal 1% more dmg at 1.7k tenacity, around 1% less dmg taken and the increased healing received was extremely terrible, its a garbage stat.

[EusisLandale]

It was proven that you deal 1% more dmg at 1.7k tenacity, around 1% less dmg taken and the increased healing received was extremely terrible, its a garbage stat.

"Proven". No, it's closer to 1% output and reduction for 180 points, not nearly 2000.

[KalinOrthos]

Too right, players need to get the META idea out of their noggins and start playing the game like intelligent players they are, no wonder some players are put off from the class, when you have YouTubers telling them "meta this, meta that and meta other" .... No - learn the fights, have fun and deal with the wipes! It is called progression for a reason.

Oh man, progression. I honestly don't see that term a lot in FF14. I'm willing to admit there might be bias, but a lot of the mentality I've seen in this game is based on "I get it now now now." Hell, this current DPS-based meta is revolved around the idea that we need to do less progression and more pushing our tanks and healers to DPS more and more; you can tell that the fights weren't designed around this idea that everyone needs to push maximum DPS or else you don't get a slot, that was a mentality pushed by the highest echelons of the game and adopted by a bunch of meta-worshiping children.

[Elfidan]

Full circle, as it turns out. Back to the point of there being a strong sentiment among the playerbase that optimized play is for the birds, so to speak.

That sentiment stems from the behavior exhibited by self proclaimed "Metagamers" who make hostile play environments. I imagine they are being careful with tenacity ,and adjusting it slowly so tanks aren't over powered early on making the expansion content face roll easy.

[Sylvina]

Drugs are bad for you.

[Altena]

Honestly I feel like they should just remove the damage+ component and buff the damage mitigation component.

Sure, people will still push for damage+ 95% of the time, but at least it would have a bigger per-point impact. The current hybrid effect that it gives is awkward, which further makes it more useless.


One of the biggest issues with Parry was that it did nothing for magic damage.
Furthermore, bosses didn't hit hard enough to need to spec toward mitigating damage and cooldowns were/are the key way to mitigate damage.
This area actually touches on the "issue" of tanks wearing STR accessories at the moment - because you only need enough HP to survive. A bigger container doesn't actually make you take less damage - it just gives an inattentive healer more time to react.

If their goal is to confuse players with these strange substats, then they are doing a good job of that. I thought their goal was the exact opposite?

I am personally of the opinion that we need MORE substats that allow for wider levels of customization, even if this customization is an illusion (as there will always be an "optimal" BiS build).
I like the idea of tanks having the ability to jump into a DPS gearset for easier content, or switch to a damage mitigation / HP set for harder content or raids, however you could blame the current game design on this but there is no need for this - and DPS is the next best option.

So I am of the opinion that removing the damage+ side of Tenacity and focusing on the mitigation side would be a step in the right direction for this game.
It would not only "simplify" these stats for people that don't like to aim toward BiS, but it would apply a big enough per-point effect on an area of stats that we currently lack - mitigation.

The ability to actually have a stat to manage how much damage you take - and one that actually works to good effect, would be largely beneficial to the masses who find it difficult to heal a tank in some content in the game. On the flip side of this, it wouldn't stop the more skilled players from maximizing their ability to deal damage by pushing for higher damage stats.

More horizontal gearing options is something I absolutely encourage.

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As for the META argument...

95% of the playerbase shouldn't even worry too much about it. The meta is really for the 5% that push speed runs, world firsts, etc etc.
Playing optimally should definitely be encouraged, however if sacrificing damage for survivability helps your group clear content, then you should do that.

The meta is for players who are able to execute their job roles flawlessly or at least to a high level. Most groups don't do that. So the idea of forcing yourself into a meta of certain jobs / BiS options, is actually going to limit your success.

Groups run into problems when they focus too hard on playing around the meta of the 5%ers. Just stick to the stuff you know, and what works for your group. If that means stacking mitigation over damage as a main tank, then so be it.
(Though currently, Tenacity is just rubbish..)

[Fynlar]

It's funny that anyone thinks anything they meld on their tank (aside from STR on the accessories) *really* matters that much.