Silly tank melds

[MistressAthena]

Why do people complain so much about what is supposedly "sub-optimal" when it makes little to no difference in normal, is not even really needed in hard/extreme, and only really comes into play in Savage (which most people will never do anyway)? Even if it were 1000 dps difference, it still wouldn't effect your daily roulette noticeably... The elitism in this community is just completely out of control...

^ This...

Infact, in over 5 years, this is the first time I've ever come to the forums.. I've gotten loads of compliments, got some hair splitting victories doing the final blow with less than 1% hp left and everyone else wiped on my PLD. Had many people want to party with me again, and made many friends.

But apparently due to the elites on this forum I've been doing it all wrong, every last bit of it wrong for 5 years.. lol....

I don't meld gear, ever. Not once have I ever used materia.. I don't use food.. Ever.. Not once.. I never leave Shield Oath, unless OTing...

Yet I'm apparently an extremely good player, and a tank people want to have in their group... Go figure...

TLDR: Coming from a paladin MT who's apparently doing literally everything wrong.... You're literally arguing over straws here. None of it matters.. Except (Maybe) in savage which not many do anyway.

[Greedalox]

Yet I'm apparently an extremely good player, and a tank people want to have in their group... Go figure...

Oh Sweetie, they just wanted your tank queue.

[MistressAthena]

Oh Sweetie, they just wanted your tank queue.

Plenty of other tanks to choose over me lol

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Oh Sweetie, they just wanted your tank queue.

I never leave tank stance either and just spam flash / my enmity combo, use cooldowns and clemency myself and no one ever complains. I wish high end raiders would keep their min maxing mentality in savage and extreme where it belongs.

Edit, yes I also use Holy Spirit, my DoTs and other damage abilities. I just don't leave tank stance. Why put extra strain on the healer who should already be trying to dps as well?

[Zfz]

I wish high end raiders would keep their min maxing mentality in savage and extreme where it belongs.

The problem I see with how FFXIV tanking is designed or balanced, is that following basic advice given by the game, obvious and intuitive choices, can actually lead to a player being labeled an stupid ignorant lazy ass unwilling to git gud who is a liability to everyone else.

When players are being regarded and treated like garbage due to no fault of their own, but rather due to mis-implementation or mis-balance of the game, then there is a real problem that needs to be solved.

Remember, we're not playing a game of solve-the-trick-question. We're playing an RPG.

[Greedalox]

I never leave tank stance either and just spam flash / my enmity combo, use cooldowns and clemency myself and no one ever complains. I wish high end raiders would keep their min maxing mentality in savage and extreme where it belongs.

There's just so many "I nevers" you can do before "apparently an amazing player" stops really being a realistic descriptor. People are free to play how they choose, but if they never plan to do better then they'll never be amazing- and that's perfectly 100% fine. But if they won't put any 2k gil T4 materia into their gear because they're against it, or never leave tank stance in even the safest of conditions then there's too much room ahead of them for them to be considered "amazing".

[MyaValentine]

TLDR: Coming from a paladin MT who's apparently doing literally everything wrong.... You're literally arguing over straws here. None of it matters.. Except (Maybe) in savage which not many do anyway.

as many great players has commented here, none of this really matters if you can't play your class to its max potential and for that you need to know how to play first, lot's of people complaining for this extra 5% or that extra 2% but can't even squish every last drop their class can actually offer. keep playing the way you know how and odnt let others tell you otherwise because is more valuable someone who knows how to properly play their class than some over melded wanna be failing to AOE mechanics.

to my personal opinion, tenacity was a skill directly made for tanks, whatever the team had in mind for this stat is what they intent tanks to have, you can either do some damage and have some extra defense or you can go all damage which is still a minor difference ( in other words CHOICE PPL) something we've been asking so enjoy YOUR CHOISE and let others enjoy it as well.

as for the meld I will use, RIGHT side STR and LEFT Side mix of tenacity enough to get 1.5k and crits and thats it. the rest is insignificant amount of dmg that can contribute.

[KalinOrthos]

Just like tank stance is a bigger loss than the gain it gives healers.

Okay, I know you have more to your post than this, but...I'm sorry, what? Are you just trolling at this point? Why would you ever, EVER recommend all players stance dance? I can barely handle Exdeath's normal damage in tank stance, why would I even think about stance dancing while I have him, and that's with gearing Tenacity, rotating cooldowns, Sheltron-ing Thunder 3, Clemency when necessary... Like, I get stance dancing while off tanking, and I do this, but when I have the boss, why take the ability to reduce the damage you take away? For the extra autoattack damage? Are you high?

[dragonseth07]

Okay, I know you have more to your post than this, but...I'm sorry, what? Are you just trolling at this point? Why would you ever, EVER recommend all players stance dance? I can barely handle Exdeath's normal damage in tank stance, why would I even think about stance dancing while I have him, and that's with gearing Tenacity, rotating cooldowns, Sheltron-ing Thunder 3, Clemency when necessary... Like, I get stance dancing while off tanking, and I do this, but when I have the boss, why take the ability to reduce the damage you take away? For the extra autoattack damage? Are you high?

I'm referring to back in HW where you definitely dropped tank stance after establishing hate on many bosses. The meta for SB hasn't solidified, so it very well may not be the case this expac, but it definitely was in HW.

From dungeons to raids, perfecting tanking a boss involved minimizing time in tank stance.

Edit: If you're actually brand new like your join date says, you wouldn't be familiar with it. I apologize. The tank meta previously was to (generally) drop tank stance after 1 or 2 hate combos and go into your opener. It wasn't quite that simple, with Unchained pulls and early vokes, but the gist is that you attempted to minimize time in tank stance because the loss in your damage was greater than the gain in damage healers received from you needing less healing.

Naturally, this didn't work when you or the healer were undergeared or unfamiliar with a fight.

[KalinOrthos]

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I've been playing since the start of HW, but it was never anything more than casual, as back then, I was raiding in WoW. I'm just now starting to get deeper into the game as of late as, once my life finally calms down after my move, I want to slot myself into a static.

Because I come from WoW, I do have a more traditional philosophy on tanking, especially with how Blizzard has been handling tanking the past few expansions with active mitigation, or "do more to prevent more". That's why I like paladin so much, because it incentivizes use of Holy Spirit while tanking to give you more mitigation through Sheltron.