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  1. #41
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    I do the same with my RDM. On normal spell. I was main BLM 'til StormBlood, and RDM charmed me with the release. It has a greater moving ability with same amount of DPS if not greater, now I just can't play BLM back, it just feel so slow everytime and doesn't even deal more damages. Plus with all those new fight asking to move a lot it's a pain in the a**. IMO BLM is gonna die if he's not up.

    You don't do 28k on red mage.
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  2. #42
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    I would be fine w/ Blm doing Sam damage on STs if they nerfed their AoE to Samurais as well and gave amn the AoE king title.
    Maybe they should get rid of your slashing debuff, then yes.
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  3. #43
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Goad, Feint, Leg Sweep. More or less similar utility as a caster.

    Slashing debuff, If you don't have WAR and NIN in a party it's utility. Stop denying the fact, that SAM doesn't bring anything. It CAN bring more utility than BLM in some compositions. BLM will NEVER bring utility, NEVER.
    Sure lets not have BLMs bring along Mana Shift to help keep the healers mana up, or Apoctastasis where they can throw it on the tank to help them get through magic TBs like Exdeath's Thunder 3.

    The best SAM can bring besides a slash debuff is Goad, which is only useful in AoE situations if you have another big TP consumer in the party, or feint which has a questionable influence on damage but BLMs get Addle as their version. So technically BLMs do bring as much if not more useful utility then SAM does. Especially since Leg Sweep is also useless on the vast majority of bosses.
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  4. #44
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    LordMaitreya's Avatar
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    Jsun El
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    You don't do 28k on red mage.
    Was waiting for someone to call out this blatant lie.
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  5. #45
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Sure lets not have BLMs bring along Mana Shift to help keep the healers mana up, or Apoctastasis where they can throw it on the tank to help them get through magic TBs like Exdeath's Thunder 3.

    The best SAM can bring besides a slash debuff is Goad, which is only useful in AoE situations if you have another big TP consumer in the party, or feint which has a questionable influence on damage but BLMs get Addle as their version. So technically BLMs do bring as much if not more useful utility then SAM does. Especially since Leg Sweep is also useless on the vast majority of bosses.
    You are so brave, thanks for sharing your story.
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  6. #46
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Maybe they should get rid of your slashing debuff, then yes.
    Then no, also amn was supposed to be Smn.

    Slashing debuff for Sam is barely raid utility. Regardless of what anyone says, there are two other jobs with that same ability and only Drk and Pld benefit off if it. If you only have one one or the other other, it barely adds anything. Nin/ war/ sam can put it up for themselves.

    I as a Sam can't kill a large group of mobs as quickly as blm... melee should be able to do that. It's not fair that casters can and melee can't. (I don't really care, honestly.)
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    Last edited by Leonus; 07-12-2017 at 12:35 AM.

  7. #47
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    Then no, also amn was supposed to be Smn.

    Slashing debuff for Sam is barely raid utility. Regardless of what anyone says, there are two other jobs with that same ability and only Drk and Pld benefit off if it. If you only have one one or the other other, it barely adds anything. Nin/ war/ sam can put it up for themselves.
    Clap clap, finally you get it. Tell me, how many times is BLM going to buff someone in the party in any kind of composition. I'll wait as I see you need time.
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  8. #48
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Clap clap, finally you get it. Tell me, how many times is BLM going to buff someone in the party in any kind of composition. I'll wait as I see you need time.
    Personally, no times. But sure does help the group with adds faster than any melee can.

    You know... that may be a form of group utility...

    Maybe SE should design more fights with adds?

    In that case, I would not do as much damage as a blm, I (on any of my melee) want to do as much AoE damage as a blm/Smn. There is an imbalance here that SE needs to address. /sarcasm.
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    Last edited by Leonus; 07-12-2017 at 12:43 AM.

  9. #49
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    Clap clap, finally you get it. Tell me, how many times is BLM going to buff someone in the party in any kind of composition. I'll wait as I see you need time.
    I see BLMs mana shift to healers and cast Apocstastasis on people more often then SAMs use well...

    ... anything that would qualify as utility.

    Be it leveling or raid content.
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  10. #50
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    Ferrasper's Avatar
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    Doctor Fumbles
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    I see BLMs mana shift to healers and cast Apocstastasis on people more often then SAMs use well...

    ... anything that would qualify as utility.

    Be it leveling or raid content.
    You know who else gets mana shift, apocostastsis, and addle along with an instant revive, heal, and buff. RDMs. You know what they are also casters who do more damage then BLM because of their mobility. What a shocker that is! Who knew.
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