CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Vequi]

Well to go off in a different direction. I always saw Conjurer as a Scholar without the Grimoires/Stratagems and Thaumaturge as a Red Mage. XD

I honestly don't care which gets BLM and which gets WHM since I planned to level both to learn all the magic spells.

[Teakwood]

Am I the only one who isn't surprised at this choice? We're talking the difference between a class who excels at curing versus a class that is a sadomasochist in a broad sense of the term.

Unless that's your thing. No judgement here.

Clearly, I'm the only one who ever thought about off-label uses of traditionally WHM debuffs and spells...

[Orophin]

Time to level my THM.

[Zezlar]

Any Final Fantasy fan would have been able to tell that's what was going to happen.

[Wynn]

There are threads talking of this for weeks and weeks and threads before that with links to lore references...........if your not campable of finding it yourself, either by going through all your in game info, or by using a search engine for the internet, your out of luck........I am not going to do research for you, grow on your own with a little self discovery of it yourself.

All that aside....I think its pretty funny the way some of you post here how many reasons you think it should be the other way around, or try to say lore this or spells that........Its anounced, its gonna happen....get over it.....

I'm fine with it. I don't agree with it, but I'm ok with it. You have an attitude problem though. You should get over that.

By the way, the only talk on the forums about lore was in favor of THM being WHM, not the other way around.

[Inaaca]

Any Final Fantasy fan would have been able to tell that's what was going to happen.

Wait.. The same Final Fantasy fans that have come to know BLMs as elemental nukers with pointy hats?

The two classes are vague right now, Yoshi even said so from the start. It's why we needed the concrete answer we finally got.

[Fated]

THM leaned towards WHM more than CNJ and CNJ leaned towards BLM more than THM but neither classes seem proper fits for those specialized roles.

Like someone else said, THM seems more of a Red Mage and CNJ seems more like a Scholar. But hey, we aren't up to combo jobs yet.

[Zezlar]

Wait.. The same Final Fantasy fans that have come to know BLMs as elemental nukers with pointy hats?

The two classes are vague right now, Yoshi even said so from the start. It's why we needed the concrete answer we finally got.

Yeah the abilities are very spread out. That's because of the previous dev teams ideas. However if one were to really think about it THM looks a lot more like a BLM than CNJ does. Also CNJ gets Cure.

So my guess is that in 1.20 some of the abilities that CNJ has now (mainly the elemental nuke spells) may be taken away and be replaced with more of a light based set of spells.

[Tsuga]

Other thing I don't get, is those of you claiming the lore doesn't match up. You earther have not read all of the lore, or you twist it in your mind as you read it to suit what you want. There is plenty of lore to math CoN as WHM and THM as BLM.

The thing is that WHM and BLM lore =/= CNJ and THM lore.

Yoshida has given an example of how jobs will have their own quests and stories (namely a dragoon quest that has something to do with "the great dragoon of Ishgard" (OMG Lancer lore has nothing to do with Dragoons from Ishgard, it doesn't fit!!)) and these stories/lore don't necessarily have to have anything to do with the classes that are required to unlock the quests.

Basically it doesn't matter what the established lore with CNJ and THM are, because BLM and WHM lore will likely treat them as entirely different classes (similar to the drg lore).

As far as class builds, CNJ leans more toward WHM than THM in regards to skills. It's puzzling how THM leans toward BLM in any way, but I feel like CNJ was a given after the 1.18 skill balancing and adjustments.

[Inaaca]

Yeah the abilities are very spread out. That's because of the previous dev teams ideas. However if one were to really think about it THM looks a lot more like a BLM than CNJ does. Also CNJ gets Cure.

So my guess is that in 1.20 some of the abilities that CNJ has now (mainly the elemental nuke spells) may be taken away and be replaced with more of a light based set of spells.

Yes, there's evidence in both directions. That's what makes it vague, and why changes are needed.

It shouldn't be hard to see why someone could see one way or the other if one were to actually look closely at both sides of the argument.